A united Ireland...why?

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

I just saw a new nerdfighter group that said it was in support of "an independant and united Ireland". I just have this to ask, why? It's not as though there are oppressed people in Northern Ireland any more. There may have been in the past, but that's been a very long time ago. Catholics and Protastant's by and large are getting on fine. Most don't even care about the distinction, they're just polarised by the violence of the troubles. I don't really see the need for it anymore. Is there really anyone who wants it. A minority might do in NI, but that's hardly a reason to change the state, since the majority do want it, and the minority get represented in the Northern Ireland assembly, so it's not as if they have no power. Is there really any actual fight in that argument any more? If the people of Northern Ireland want to be British, if there's no oppression etc, then why change what is now?

[God ~blogs/forums admin ~]

The latest poll suggest that it's a 50/50 fight at the moment Vert. Whilst I'd agree that separation is the last thing the Irish, -or any country for that matter needs- at the moment is a divide. Also, it's been shown that Britain is losing money in Northern Ireland rather than making it, therefore the capitalistin British politics should be rubbing their hands at the thought of tax cuts. 

 

Once more, if you know anything about Irish history -or at least the war between 1918/1921 then you'll know that Lloyd George made the treaty so that the separation would only be temp amount of time in which a peaceful  process can begin. 

 

In other words, if the Irish want it. Let them have it.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

The latest poll suggest that it's a 50/50 fight at the moment Vert.

 

The vote would say otherwise. How come if its 50/50 the unionists and non-alligned parties did better? It seems to me from the vote is 1/3 want it, 1/3 don't and 1/3 couldn't care less.

[Kenny]

Did the vote have a 100% turnout?

 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

no, so in fact the percentage of don't cares goes up significently.

[Kenny]

No, the percentage of people who have better things to do than cast their individual meaningless vote goes up significantly.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

How exactly is their vote meaningless.

[Fake Crowley]

Each individual person has a roughly one in a four point five million effect on the election, assuming everybody actually votes.

 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Small problem, your assuming the whole of Northern Ireland is one constituancy. It isnt. Secondly, by saying "one persons votes makes no difference" what you are, by extention saying is "four hundrud thousand people's votes make no difference" because those four hundrud thousand are all just made up of individual votes. My point being is that the argument "one vote doesn't make a diffrence" has never made sense and never will.

[Fake Crowley]

Technically, I'm saying the individual makes no difference. The community makes a large difference, but people are not hive minds. They are individual thinking creatures.

[Kenny]

Yes, four hundred thousand votes make a difference, but every one of those votes is an individual, and every one of those individuals understands that whether or not they vote has no effect on whether or not everyone else votes.  Your line of thinking would work if people didn't look at themselves as individuals, but in most societies we do.

[Kenny]

Because one vote in hundreds of thousands has never and will never affect anything in even the teeniest, tiniest of ways.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Watch the film "swing vote" and also refernce the 2000 US presidential election.