Autism and Aspergers Syndrome and Gary McKinnon

[Latch33570]

Is Britain saying that aspergers makes you incompetent? This guy is a systems administrator. That sounds pretty competent to me. What gives? He should at least stand trial for his crimes.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Britain is saying that because of his illness, there is a very real risk of him committing suicide if he is extradited to the US.

Furthermore, since he committed the crimes on UK soil, although the victims may have been American, he is subject to UK law.

[Latch33570]

Is Britain saying it will prosecute him? I am OK with it if you prosecute. He shouldn't just get away with it. Is that all you got to do is say that you will kill yourself if you are sent to trial. There are ways of dealing with inmates who try to kill themselves. That doesn't seem like a good reason to withhold justice. 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Is Britain saying it will prosecute him? I am OK with it if you prosecute.

The Director of Public Prosecutions is investigating currently whether or not he will be prosecuted in the UK.

There is also the consideration that he will not get a fair trial in the US because of his contesting of the extradition procedures.

Is that all you got to do is say that you will kill yourself if you are sent to trial.

Don't be obtuse. This case has been going on for ten years. Do you really think if that was all it took, it would have lasted this long. There has been substantial medical investigation into his condition and his situation.

[Tòmachan ~blogs admin ~]

As someone who suffers from Autism, Aspergers to be exact; I suppose this is my cue. 

There's different levels and degrees to this illness, the spectrum is wide and varied. One of the most common and assumed traits is the inability to tell right from wrong. Imagine a very narrow tunnel which only said person in question can see. He hasn't any widows out of this tunnel to see other peoples points of views, he cannot grasp the way other people think - in this regard he is very incompetent. 

Now, personally I'd say that his level functionality should be examined to see if he is high or low maintenance. The higher he is, the more incompetent he would be. If he were low however, and was able to grasp the basic principle of right and wrong; then he should be tried - but only in Britain.

Personally, and this is coming from a disabled lad - America has such a shitty track record for defending the rights of the mentally ill; it'd be an example of abuse against his Human rights by sending him there in the first place. 

[Latch33570]

Verty I brought it up about the suicide trait because it was used as an excuse. As far as the fair trial because he contested the extradition. That is BS.  Now Thomas has a point about the mentally ill not being taken to account or at least as much weight as it should be given.  But definitely he should be prosecuted if Britain doesn't some bounty hunter will get him.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Verty I brought it up about the suicide trait because it was used as an excuse.

 

No, it wasn't. It was brought up because it's a legitimate medical concern. He has an illness, and as such there needs to be acceptence of that in the legal system.

As far as the fair trial because he contested the extradition. That is BS.

 

No, it's not. The US does not have a good track record when it comes to fair trials after extradition. Difficulties in extradition are often interpreted as being implicit guilt by US courts.

But definitely he should be prosecuted if Britain doesn't some bounty hunter will get him.

 

A bounty hunter? Seriously? 

[Latch33570]

Yes a bounty hunter. They send them out and they kidnap people. I am not making it up.   They are tried by a jury of their peers here in the states. Usually in a case like this he would plead out. But in this case his guilt is not in question and that is why he should be prosecuted. You guys really have the wrong impression of our system here.

A legitimate medical concern. I agree and we deal with that all the time. That is just not a good excuse.  

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Yes a bounty hunter. They send them out and they kidnap people. I am not making it up

Proof, please

They are tried by a jury of their peers here in the states. Usually in a case like this he would plead out.

I'm aware of how the trial system works, but the peers in this case would be influenced by the fact that he fought extradition.

But in this case his guilt is not in question and that is why he should be prosecuted.

Yes, but that can be done in the UK, where his life isn't in danger.

A legitimate medical concern. I agree and we deal with that all the time.

You don't seem to understand. The medical concern is that if he goes there, he will kill himself. You can't deal at your end if you are the ones who cause the problem.

That is just not a good excuse.

How about this. He's a UK citizen, and the crime was committed on UK soil. That makes it a UK issue. The nationality of the victims does not change the location of the crime. His peers are not US citizens.

[Latch33570]

Ah new info. I knew he was living there but I thought he was an American. That makes a lot of difference. No bounty hunters now. He still needs to be prosecuted just not by us. He did the wrong thing for an OK reason but still the wrong thing. Can I buy a comma. But I disagree with you on the suicidal portion. 

[Latch33570]

I have no idea why I thought he was an american.

[Eystein,]

Geez and I got the impression that the guy had killed somebody... Latch why do you want to prosecute a fellow nerd for doing extraordinary nerdy things?

[Latch33570]

I don't want to be harsh to him. To me he had an honorable reason to start this. I believe in UFO's. But in this day and age with a good bit of money being electronic and all the terrorist around. We need to give him a good hard slap on the wrist then hire him. As far as I am concerned that is a good resume.