batman? or the dark knight?

[erin murray]

im a huge fan of batman, always have been, so heres the question.. the original batman or the dark knight? which do you think suited the comics best or which worked more for you? ive not yet come across a person who hasnt liked the new movie but i feel it has over-shadowed the genius of the first one..perhaps im just being my geeky comic-reading self, i do love the new movie its fantastic! but the joker is what makes it.. i think that the original batman himself (michael keaton) suited the role more..your thoughts please?

[Alan]

Errr you don't want my thoughts.
Just go read 'The Black Knight Returns'.
If you already have, and you thought the movie was better... GO READ IT AGAIN!

[This is a rant. I will debate it, but please bear with me I have not seen the movie since it came out. I saw it 2 times, so trust me I gave it its chance.]
But seriously, I really disliked the movie. I just don't have the wish to type out my like 5+ paragraph rant. It all comes down to:
Why was the joker a genius?
How could he read people perfectly (he knew that the police chief would store his crazy minions in the same building)?
How could he influence Harvey dent with perfect precision if he could not do so with anyone else besides crazy people?
When Batman says he is going to go rescue the girl, why does he rescue Harvey Dent?
If there is some double thinking or he or the joker lied... No one explained that EVER!
Making a character without back story can be interesting (I loved the change of stories about how he got the scars. PURE GENIOUS), but when he has random skills because of past events... that is bullshit. The character can more or less use the get out of jail free card of 'Oh I have this ability also' When ever he wants to. That's BAD for a character developed story... and that is all batman ever was and ever will be... it's a character driven story. (Character driven stories are great, lord of the flies is one. As long as you don't introduce random elements in to them based on facts that never come out about the characters.)

*gasps for breath*
The acting was perfect... well except for Batman’s. But we all knew that going into the movie, he just has the gruff voice, not the acting to play batman.

[Phineas de Romanus]

Why was the joker a genius?
Because he was a "genius" in the comic books as well.

How could he read people perfectly (he knew that the police chief would store his crazy minions in the same building)?
Because there's only one building to store criminals in?

When Batman says he is going to go rescue the girl, why does he rescue Harvey Dent?
Plot twist, sucka! Plus, yous gots ta have da tears sumwhere.

Making a character without back story can be interesting (I loved the change of stories about how he got the scars. PURE GENIOUS), but when he has random skills because of past events... that is bullshit. The character can more or less use the get out of jail free card of 'Oh I have this ability also' When ever he wants to.
I believe the comic books explain Jokers past.
Random skills? His skills were creating bombs, telling bad jokes, and planning chaos. It's not like he all of the sudden knew Tae Kwon Do, or knew pottery.

[Jaqueline Sparrow]

They explain the prison thing earlier- the police chief doesn't trust the guys at the County Jail. So he stores all the important prisoners in the same building.

[Ningmaster Tom]

When Batman says he is going to go rescue the girl, why does he rescue Harvey Dent?
Isn't that obvious? The Joker (just like anyone else, btw) knew that Batman wouldn't give a shit for Harvey Dent and would try to save the girl. The Joker just told him the locations, but lied about which hostage was where.
By choosing to save the girl, batman "killed" her. And he has to live with that knowledge for the rest of his life.

I quite liked the movie, I must admit. Though Bale's creepy Batman voice was a bit, well, creepy :p

[Hel]

The gruff voice makes me laugh so much, even if I do adore the film. There's this really awesome parody of the Batman films called Becoming Batman on youtube at the moment. It's hilarious, really dry humour. I'd suggest watching it!

'I'm not wearing hockey pads!' LOL.

[tom-tortue]

i know i have only scene the firt three quaters of an hour of it but it makes me laugh so hard

[Eleanor Rigby]

This video describes how I felt listening to Batman's voice:

[Lucy]

Too true.

[tom-tortue]

thats so funny and true

[Phineas de Romanus]

I think Christopher Nolan did a fantastic job of "reinventing" Batman, the story line, and the Batman characters.

I honestly don't think any of the actors so far really suite Batman. Clooney, Bale, Keaton, Kilmer, Lowery, West, they've all been--well, some have been good, and some have been. If I have to choose, though, I'd pick, um, probably either Keaton (mostly because I love Tim Burton) or West (hehe...I just love the cheesyness so, so much).

I just love the evolution of TV/Movie Batman: you got the cheesy/campy Batman's played by Lowery, Wilson and West, and then you get the progressively darker and progressively less cheesy Batman's of Burton and Nolan. *and by "Batman" I mean the entire story, not just the Batman character.

But nothing beats the comic books. Even though I do get annoyed with comic books. And the cartoons, I have to say I love the cartoons...I don't know why.

[Phineas de Romanus]

You're the eight person to reply to a post of mine when there was absolutely no reason to.
I will sucker punch you.

[Eleanor Rigby]

I never read the comics, but I loved (LOVED) the Dark Kight! I cried. ( but I wasn't one of the people who saw it 12 times in the theater)

I love how the joker didn't really have a background and how he was completely psycho but smart and AAAAAAAHHH!!!
I thought that was clever because that is something that would scare a lot of people: an insane person who enjoyed killing for no apparent reason and was good at it.

I also love Heath Ledger. <3

A complaint: I thought that Harvey Dent should've survived to be the bad guy in the third movie.