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Body language definition: The gestures, movements, and mannerisms by which a person or animal communicates with others. (Merriam Webster Dictionary)

Body language is a form of mental and physical ability of human non-verbal communication (wikipedia body language article)

I say:
1-Body language is non-verbal communication.
2-Sign language is non-verbal communication.
3-Conclusion: Sing language is body language.

Verbal language is processed by the ears, while body language is processed by the eyes.

Since sing language is processed by the eyes, that makes it body language, correct?


Is this correct or incorrect?

Is sign language (with hands) a form of body language.
Or sign language does not count as body language?

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Common, I need answers.

Do you think sign language is body an language, YES or NO?

Verbal does not mean auditory, it means comprised of words. ASL signs are no less words than the sounds of our language are.

Also, your inductive reasoning is flawed.  Classic example:

1-Birds lay eggs.

2-Turtles lay eggs.

3-Conclusion: Turtles are birds.

Now, ASL is a language that uses the body to communicate, but the term "body language" usually doesn't refer to an actual language with vocabulary and syntax.

Overall, if I understand what you're trying to say, no.

Why people keep doing that...

You syllogism example is fallacious, making a fallacious syllogism doesn't prove that my syllogisms is fallacious, all you did was prove that YOUR syllogism is fallacious as turtles are not birds.

"Verbal does not mean auditory, it means comprised of words."←Word that are made with????? SOUND coming from your mouth. Is sign language made of sound that comes from a mouth? NO, then they re not verbal.

"ASL is a language that uses the body to communicate"←Then it is body language. "Body language is a form of mental and physical ability of human non-verbal communication" - wikipedia.

"but the term "body language" usually doesn't refer to an actual language with vocabulary and syntax."←You used the word "USUALLY" wich translate to "not always" wich means some times it refer to an actual language with vocabulary and syntax.

There is no rule stating that just because something has  vocabulary and syntax it stop being body language.

For someone who whined about not getting an opinion, you sure slammed the first person to give you one.

I guess written words aren't words because they aren't made with SOUND.

I specifically said that if I understood your use of the term "body language," I did not consider ASL to fit it well.  Apparently your question was "Does ASL use physical movements to communicate?" which seems like a pointless waste of my time and yours. 

And I got the opinion, thanks.

That still doesn't mean that I can't try to educate the people who is wrong after they give their opinion.

"I guess written words aren't words because they aren't made with SOUND."←Words in paper or in here in a forum is visual language. While words made with sound is verbal language. They are different kinds of words.

"Apparently your question was "Does ASL use physical movements to communicate?" which seems like a pointless waste of my time and yours."←I know is a waste of time, but I'm trying to prove to some on that is very stupid that sing language is body language. I will get nowhere unless I get people to support me, I was hoping that most people would have logic skills to understand how sign language is  body language, but I guess wrong...

Hard to believe that so many people think that sing language is not body language... some even think is verbal language... (face palm)

"Body language is a form of mental and physical ability of human non-verbal communication

Nonverbal communication is usually understood as the process of communication through sending and receiving wordless (mostly visual) messages between people.

American Sign Language (ASL) is a sign language, a language in which the hands, arms, head, facial expression and body language are used to speak without sound" ▬Wikipedia.

Is so obvious to me that sign language is body language... why so many people can't see this?

Sign language is not body language because body language is sent and interpreted subconsciously. This usually adds emphasis to verbal language. Body language plays a big role in sign language because interpreting sign language is done visually, but that does not make sign language a form of body language. Sign language is sent and interpreted consciously.

Just because it uses the body to communicate does not make it body language, by that standard lip-reading would be considered body language. This is wrong since the movements of the lips are a result of sound being produced, the only difference with lip-reading is the mechanism used by the interpreter. This does not make it body language.

Is so obvious to me that sign language is body language... why so many people can't see this?

Because your definition of body language differs from the other people here.

Actually her demonstration was a valid critique of your line of reasoning.  The problem with your syllogism is that it is this structure:

X -> Z

Y -> Z

X -> Y (Not necessarily true)

However, for it to be true you have to make a major premise and a minor premise:

X->Y (major premise)

Y->Z (minor premise)

X->Z (conclusion)

So the classic example 

All XY Canadians are men

All men are mortal

All XY Canadians are mortal

All non-verbal communication is body language.

All sign language is non-verbal.

Therefore sign language is body language.

All non-verbal communication is body language.

Wrong

All sign language is non-verbal.

Correct.

Therefore sign language is body language.

Wrong.

Sure

I think this isn't a black and white thing. It is both body language and a language. Many signs are body language signals. So what is the deal? Why split hairs?

Some one believe that sign language is not body language so I'm getting people opinion to prove him that he is wrong. That is the deal.

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