Prostitution should it be legal.

[Latch33570]

I am kind of on the fence about this. What do you think?

[Abreo]

You're right about most prostitutes only choosing to degrade themselves in that line of work when they have no other options but thats because most prostitutes work on the streets in the bad part of town and get their asses smacked around by some pimp who will probably yell at them if they get raped for losing him money. There's a huge difference between that and working in a brothel or working at your home. Calling her out on that is pointless.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

I wouldn't say I'm biased, I have no emotional stock in prostitution, I don't feel like its an industry I'd ever engage in, and I don't feel it to be morally reprehensible or particularly right or wrong. but I can see how the legalization would affect our society financially and the place its held through out time.

 

You are biased in that you have an opinion and you're defending it. That seemed to be how you are using the word bias in this context.

 

  you say paying for sex is morally wrong, but those are not the morals of the entire world, It isn't morally wrong to me and many many other people, but you can not govern  people on the moral standards of the few, If its not hurting anyone why outlaw it?

Moral standards arn't democratic. They are based on what is and is not right and wrong. Just because lots of people like something and think it's right, doesn't make it so. We should outlaw it because it is fundamentally commoditising a human being.  

as for the people who get into it out of desperation are those prostitutes on the street of the women who work in legal brothels because as I've said before Its a huge difference.

It's the illegal ones, which make up the vast majority, so I'm not inclined to listen to the legal ones.

as for sex being the most intimate thing you can do with someone else, no it's not When I was breastfeeding I wasn't alone, I was breastfeeding my child, another human being and to me that is the most intimate act you can do with someone else.

It may be an emotionally intimate thing, but it is not a physically intimate thing. Not in the same way.

what personal or moral reasons do you have to speak out against it so much? Is prostitution morally wrong due to your faith or upbringing? and how would the legalization affect either of those things?

It's wrong because that is how I see it. Just the same way it's right to you because of how you see it. How we see things isn't as important as the reasons we see it that way. For me, it's based fundimentally on moral absolutes.

[Abreo]

The human soul becomes a commodity when we sell art, the human body is a commodity when it's used for any kind of labor, and hierarchies in general reduce us. Selling sex isn't that bad when we live in the system we live in. 

[Lucy Rios]

this is an extremely good point, Artist in a sense sell peices of themselves all the time. 

[Ashley Noyes]

Absolutely. Under Vertigo's logic we should just outlaw the entire service industry. Because the world is comprised of absolute right and absolute wrong, and providing a service to somebody is absolutely wrong. Because we are using our bodies as a commodity. 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

No. When we provide a service in that regard it is different. See Scott A Anderson's argument on this.

 

http://myweb.dal.ca/mgoodyea/Documents/Philosophy%20and%20morality/...

[Lucy Rios]

you are pretty much missing the point,  your morals are not my morals, Morality is not a singular set of laws. 

 

 My morals tell me to be honests, not to take things that aren't mine or cause people pain, they tell me not to judge people and to never assume I know more than anyone else. 

 

My morals don't belong to anyone else, they are mine. I would never judge a person for seeking out personal pleasure.

 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Please re read the article. It is not about morals.

[Lucy Rios]

first of all that was so long and dry I'd never bother submitting is as source on the internet, TL;DR.

 

 but I did read a good portion of it, First it deals with  illegal prostitution In America, and does not seem to touch legal prostitution in  america western Europe,  which is a whole new ball game. It deals with Radical Feminist views on prostitution in a patriarchal capitalist society, that is a slightly biased  take on this subject. 

 

 Now in the case of the illegal prostitute, things can be bad, they are the whim of strangers and people whose interest lies not in their health and comfort but in money, there is no standardization of pay, and drug use is encouraged, but in legal brothels  (which sets the argument for the legalization) the workers are clean and drug free, they choose who they are willing to take as customers, they have security on hand and they have benefits and a standard rate of pay. 

 They are women (and men as It would be sexist to assume there would not be men) who enjoy the act of sex, they enjoy fulfilling peoples fantasy and do not feel  sex equates love and intimacy,  just like people who work in adult films. 

 

 once its a regulated industry with legal brothels, and home based prostitution with health code standards and inspections by state officials they people doing it legally can pay in taxes and hold a high paying job they enjoy.   the people who do it illegally still in poor conditions should be counselled and helped at that point because at that point they would be only the ones coerced  into it. Its pretty much a win win. 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

first of all that was so long and dry I'd never bother submitting is as source on the internet

 

It's an accadmeic source. Sorry you don't really have patience to have your ideas challenged.

 

but I did read a good portion of it, First it deals with  illegal prostitution In America, and does not seem to touch legal prostitution in  america western Europe,  which is a whole new ball game. It deals with Radical Feminist views on prostitution in a patriarchal capitalist society, that is a slightly biased  take on this subject.

 

Again, please read it propperly. It examines radical feminist view, yes, but it itself is not a radical feminist POV. Also, it deals with the idea of prostitution itself, not merely illegal prostitution.

 

Seriously, are you so stuck in your arguments that you can't be bothered to read something that challenges your views.

 

Now in the case of the illegal prostitute, things can be bad, they are the whim of strangers and people whose interest lies not in their health and comfort but in money, there is no standardization of pay, and drug use is encouraged, but in legal brothels  (which sets the argument for the legalization) the workers are clean and drug free, they choose who they are willing to take as customers, they have security on hand and they have benefits and a standard rate of pay.

 

Here's the problem. Legal brothels, where they have existed, have not eliminated illegal ones. You don't really solve any problems, because the people who go to the illegal brothols would not be accepted in the legal ones. It's not really comparbale, and you'd end up with a two tier system, which is harder to police.

[Eystein,]

How is it much different from going to a bar, getting a woman drunk just to get laid by a stranger. In either way as long as its consenting adults why not?

 

Erm, if you get a woman drunk and sleep with her, that's called rape if she was too drunk to consent.

 

He means drunk 'enough' to consent, obviously.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Then why was it necessary to mention she was drunk?