I have been an atheist for a while and have always been looking for an argument that will prove the existence of A GOD. A GOD is in all caps to show that I am not looking for you to prove the christian god or the greek gods, all i want is proof of the existence of a higher power that created all things. He does not have to be a moral being, nor does he have to give to craps about his creation. I just want someone to prove that he is there (I use he because in the English language we assume masculine when no gender is put forth). So anyone of any background of any knowledge level go for it.
Oh and as a side note, yes you do have to prove that god is there, i don't have to prove he is not. It is like asking someone to prove that a dragon exists when the dragon will become undetectable the minute a person looks at is. The same is true for god. He does not exist in our plane of being as I have been told oh so many times and therefore cannot be detected in any way. So don't come in here and say that I have to prove that there is no god. That is for another debate.
You can't really prove that God exists anymore that you can prove that gravity exists :/ How can you expect Christians to PROVE something if the entire principle of science dictates that you can NEVER prove anything?
Personally I believe the matter of God's existence relies on defining what God is not proving he/she/it is there. As an atheist as well, I'm able to define God as "A mass of energy" and that allows me to come to some kind of agreement or compromise when discussing religion.
It's not about proving something for certain, it's about finding evidence until the premise seems sufficiently likely. The more evidence is found in support of a theory, the greater the chance that that theory is true.
"As an atheist as well, I'm able to define God as "A mass of energy" and that allows me to come to some kind of agreement or compromise when discussing religion."
Then you are not an atheist, just saying.
You can prove gravity. It's a scientific law, not a theory.
:) It makes me happy to know that someone knows the difference. But btw, there is ALSO a theory of gravity which can't be proven.
It irks me when people question the existence of scientific laws that are universally known and accepted. Thank you for not being ignorant!!
I agree, and I can't prove that there is a god but I do believe in religion for the ethics and moral codes that most employ.
May I ask which Moral code are you referring to exactly?
Gravity exists. I could prove it to you a billion ways. If gravity did not exist, you would not be able to jump and land back down on the ground. Your furniture would not stay on the ground and your hair would float around in bizarre ways. GRAVITY. EXISTS.
You're wrong. You're just listing the physical phenomenon that have been attributed to gravity. That isn't the same thing as proving gravity exists. That requires a great deal of maths etc.
If that were true, then those physical phenomenons would have to be able to occur in the absence of gravity. Which, to my knowledge, is impossible. Saying gravity doesn't exist is like saying pi is not infinite. Gravity just exists. Pi is just infinite. That should be all I have to say.
I don't think you understand what I am saying.
"Gravity" is a specific set of understandings about the nature of matter's relationship with other matter. It may however prove to be that said understandings are inaccurate. Although the physical phenomenons may be the same, what causes them may not be accurately described by the mathematical workings we use currently known as gravity.
I am not saying that I don't believe that this is an accurate description of gravity and what it is, but I am simply saying that the existence of gravity can be proven based on its effects on every object or being that exists on earth. (just a note, don't think I'm being overly argumentative, I just enjoy a good educated debate.)