I have been an atheist for a while and have always been looking for an argument that will prove the existence of A GOD. A GOD is in all caps to show that I am not looking for you to prove the christian god or the greek gods, all i want is proof of the existence of a higher power that created all things. He does not have to be a moral being, nor does he have to give to craps about his creation. I just want someone to prove that he is there (I use he because in the English language we assume masculine when no gender is put forth). So anyone of any background of any knowledge level go for it.
Oh and as a side note, yes you do have to prove that god is there, i don't have to prove he is not. It is like asking someone to prove that a dragon exists when the dragon will become undetectable the minute a person looks at is. The same is true for god. He does not exist in our plane of being as I have been told oh so many times and therefore cannot be detected in any way. So don't come in here and say that I have to prove that there is no god. That is for another debate.
Your understanding of "perfect" is flawed. A perfect chisel and a perfect computer will look very different. Perfection required context.
Your understanding of "perfect" is flawed.
Do I now? Let me get my dictionary (ok, it's in french so lets ask google to define it so I don't have to translate):
No, I think my understanding is fine and, I don't see what I understood wrong in this. I gave plenty of context on why I think that if there is a God, it's either not perfect as some people think he is or, that he is the perfect embodiment of conscious being, free of any needs which might derive him of his purpose or will.
Lets go deeper:
This is starting to sound like the childish debate "can God heat up something hot enough that even he cannot touch it". Anything that you need, that you are forced to do against your will in order to survive or be healthy, suggest that you are not perfect because you lose energy, you wear down and age. The need to feed, to love, to be acknowledge, etc. are all examples of things that if you don't do, you will stop functioning correctly because your body or your mind will start failing.
Would god start "failing" if I don't worship him? I think not, so either there is no need, or he is just not there. And yes, it does mean that there isn't a single thing in this universe that is Perfect, not matter are close they are to be perfect. Yet we envisions gods that are very human and therefore, not perfect.
But it's only my opinion.
Yes. Lets look at your definition
"The condition, state, or quality of being free or as free as possible from all flaws or defects."
And as I have said, a perfect chisel would be very different to a perfect computer. What is a flaw on one may be considered "perfection" on another. You need context to understand what is meant by perfection.
No, I think my understanding is fine and, I don't see what I understood wrong in this.
Your understanding is flawed because without context, the word "perfect" is meaningless. A perfect what?
How do you know that it may be inappropriate to worship a perfect God? How do you know a perfect God would have no needs? The problem with your entire argument is that you have built in assumption after assumption into its framework.
I would like to interject in and say this argument is fucking pointless. You cannot prove the existence of God anymore than you can disprove it. You can question the validity and morality of religion and lack of, but God himself is unprovable.
I would answer this question with: prove that the physical world exists. (It's not that I believe in a God myself, I'm agnostic) You can't prove that the physical world truly exists just as you can't prove that God exists or not. You merely accept the existence of the physical world, I think, because it seems more evident than it not existing. The choice to accept this fact can, however, not be completely justified.
Hehe I love how this thread is titled prove god and yet someone into religiosity has yet to prove it or even offer evidence of any kind just refute the opinions of atheists like myself
When presented with evidence, you moan that it is the wrong kind, or not sufficient. You don't really invite serious debate.
If Atheists were swayed by your kinds of arguments they wouldn't be Atheists. If you were swayed by their kinds of arguments, you wouldn't be Christian.
Well, now that that's settled, let's all stop this pointless bickering and roast some marshmallows!
The idea of God is that you have faith that he's there. There is no evidence that can actually concretely, scientifically, solidly, etc. prove God.