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KEEP IN MIND: this is in no way an attack on religion and or religious people, meerly my reasons for not being a believer.

Problem number one: Why is believing in god so important to god? Regardless of a persons race, gender, and whatnot what life, in my eyes, boils down to is as follows: Are you a good person or a bad person...Whereas to the religiously faithful, it boils down to: Do you or do you not believe in god. Regardless of good or bad, believing in god and a possibly not-so-sincere apology is the ticket to heaven, regardless of how sadistic or bad someone may be. Why subjegate every single person on the planet to a test that sadistic idiots with the predisposition to faith pass with ease, and good-hearted skeptics have "failed" every single time.

Problem number deux: Manifestation...Tran/or con/ substantiation is such an issue, wether or not the wine is the blood and the bread is the body...if god wanted to quell that quarell that's divided the protestants and catholics and created so much hate...he need only manifest. Why would a god allow hatred over a very fixable issue.

Problem number three: Manifestation part two. WHY DOSN'T A GOD MANIFEST. Nothing else to say here, really. I would instantly be a believer if a god is able to manifest himself to the world. Most will say this is a test of faith, wich I cover in part four.

Problem number four: The test of faith. The religious extremests will say that all life is is a test, and as pointed out in part one, that test is one-sided to begin with. But wait, if I am subjected to the christians test, and the catholics, and the muslims, and the million other religions...why is me being an atheist so bad? A christian denies the gods of the literally THOUSANDS of other religions in the world, so me denying the existance of theirs is now heracy?

Problem numero cinco: HATE. Would a god as brilliant as to create our cosmos really allow bloodshed in his name? “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” - Epicurus

Problem number six: The age of the earth/evolution. I don't deny that I am a skeptic, I don't believe 100% in anything I cannot see, but what I CAN see is that the earth is a heck-of-a-lot more than 2 thousand something years old. And it sure as hell has evidence of evolution.

That's all for now...rant/hate/what have you.

Edit numero uno. Problem seven: Hell... Why does a hell exist? A god who created us in his image says it's wrong to torture our fellow man, and yet has a lake of fire and his own torture chamber to burn and kill and mame and did I mention torture the people who disagree with him. And if you want to believe mormonism, then satan himself was the son of elohene and the brother to jesus himself. Why is satan evil? And jesus good? They both had equal opportunity to get heaven, and yet due to the flip of a coin one must live in infamy while the other gets eternal praise and glory? No way, not buying it.

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( I am an Atheist my self, but I kinda like trying to think the way a christian would. So here are my responses to your problems!)

@ #1
It's not important for god, it's important for the churches (otherwise, they wouldn't have a single purpose left). There is a huge difference in believing in god and being a lamb that blindly follows the church.
Several of my friends believe in god but dont worship him in the way that the bible (in this case) tells them to, because it is, after all, a book written by man.

@ #2 #3
Well, if he would manifest then it would hardly be a test of FAITH anymore, would it? It is, in my opinion, everyones choice how (or even if) to worship god. If he really exists, comes down to earth and says 'That's the way you should do it, you idiots!' We wouldn't be free at all now, would we?
And then, what's the point in creating humans in the first place?

@ #4
No... no it is not. You are entitled to believe whatever the hell you want to believe.

@ #5
Well, you know, evil is a very ambigous and relativ term in itself.
No person is pure evil, and no intentions are pure evil either. People don't commit evil deeds for the sake of being evil, this is not a comic book.
Everybody has his or her agenda, trying to life their lives the way they want and see fit.
You can't judge that. You have to make that choice on your own, and if you did 'bad' in gods view you'll get punished.
And Evil and hate does exist, in bible terms, since we were cast out of the garden of eden. So God did try it without the hate thing.

@ #6
You can't "see" how old the earth is now, can you?
Scientists can tell you 'this is how it is' but they make mistakes, they are only human.
For all YOU know, this whole planet might have started with the day you were born and came out of nowhere, exactly as it is now, created by a almighty entity.

@ #7
To scare you shitless.
All arguments are valid, but refuteable. Point 1. No god? no heaven

Point 2/3 I know it is, but there's got to be a reason manifestation hasn't happened, a god that brilliant wouldn't or atleast shouldn't allow that ammount of bloodshed for the "faithful".

point 4- I don't quite know what you're saying here, elaborate please. =) Do you mean I am not a heretic for denying theirs or what...vague.

point 5- All good is "god"working through you. All evil is "satan". Are we to believe we're the rope in a game of fantastically ridiculous magical tug-of-war between the two? According to them ,there's really two types of evil I can see. The evil that's not too evil to not be absolved, and the absolveable shit.

point 6- Carbon dating and such is a better indication for me than "that shit just happened then". Also, isn't is inherently nihilistic to dent ALL existance until you're alive. =P

point 7 - Yup.

Do keep in mind..I'm an overly-opinionated 16 year old kid who's too cynic for his own good. =P
Hey Alex,
So, I have to first day, I'm not argueing. I can't make you believe something you don't, but I can just say what I believe as a devot Catholic teen girl (I started a Teen Nerd Christain Group).

I can't prove God to you. You'll find Him yourself. I have had expriences that can, with no arguement, prove God's existence. Believing is so important becuase, guess what? Sience doesn't explain everything. We don't know complicated things like why we fall in love. Or simple ideas like why we yawn. Believing in a God gives your life purpose and hope. It gives you something to live for, to give your life to God, to believe in Him, to serve Him, to follow Himy. I have been through cycles of time when I have just been lost without any hope. What brought me back to reality and to myself was knowing that, with an undying passion, Jesus loved me. God loved me. There was no gap, no ending in His passionate love for me. I couldn't, ever, deny his existence.

And I have a point to picke with you saying "Why subjecate every single person on the planet to test that sadistic idiots with the predispotion of faith pass withe ease, and good-hearted skeptics have "failed" every single time."

No. No. No. No. No. Can't say it enough times. I became Catholic in 4th grade and, I AM NOT PERFECT. Nobody is. I feel sorry for anyone who has tried to convince you that they are. You aren't perfect. I'm not perfect. He's not perfect. She's not perfect. They aren't perfect. And the Catholic Church excepts that. The Pope isn't perfect. That is why we have a Sacrament called "Reconciliation " where we formally ask God's forgiveness for our sins, because we do sin. The ONLY person to never sin was Jesus and His mother Mary. The second part of what you said about putting people to a test "idiots" made up. Jesus made up those tests. And He is not an idiot. His tests are moral. The ten commandments. Think about them: Would you kill someone even if you had never heard of a God? Would you commint adultery and cheat on your spouse or boy/girlfriend if you had never heard of a God? Would you steal? Would you disrespect something you loved with all your heart?

Despite if you believe or not those aren't right. If you do something wrong, you know it. God just put those into words. It's a moral code any religion should follow.

And, as for question number 3 and 4, I can't explain those to you because I haven't studied my faith enough to give you decent explaination. If you want one, Alex, please go to http://www.diopitt.org/ to find more answers. You can also talk to a priest or a nun or a clergy peson. They will help you find your answer.

Number 4: Like I said before, it's a moral test. And just because I believe doesn't give me a free pass to go Heaven. And just because you don't, you aren't comdemd to hell. Only you can find God. No one can find Him for you. And that is all I can say.

Number 5 GOD DOESN"T HATE ANYBODY! Never. Ever. Ever. He went through the most painful and terrible death, just because he loves EVERYONE. God does not hate. God does not support hate. But, God will love you even if you hate. Hate is something in our world, but so is murder, rape, abuse, brainwashing, kidnapping....you get the idea. But God loves anyone, despite what sins they commit. God also calls us to love everyone like a brother or sister. People don't always do that. The religion is perfect, the people aren't.

Number 6: Can't answer. Haven't studied enough. Please vist the website given before.

Hell: There has to be a consequence for our actions. We can't commit murder and not be punished, even if it slips by the law. And, I can not say who will and won't go to Hell. I haven't died yet, so I don't know.

To end this, Alex, I want to restate me point: I can't prove God to you. You must find him for yourself. Be open, please. Do not call me an idiot because I believe in God and my God made up these "tests'. Please don't close your heart. Allow the Lord's goodness to come to you, and you'll find him. I can't answer all your questions, because I'm only a teenager. Also, don't listen to what the media says about my faith, or any faith. Find the answers for yourself.

God loves you. I love you. Please find God. He will never stop loving you.


Please feel free to send me a message on my page. I'll try to answer any questions you have, but I don't have all the answers. I'm trying to find them, but that isn't what's improtant. God is important.

And, now, I'm finally done.

May God Bless You.
Well Anna, I would also like to start this off by saying this isn't in any way meant to be an attack on your religious beliefs. That being said, let's get to my problems with your post.

1. I can't prove God to you...I have had expriences that can, with no arguement, prove God's existence.

These two statements seem to contradict one another. You begin by admitting that you can not prove God's existence to anyone. You seem to retract that statement a mere two sentences later by saying that you've had experiences that prove God's existence and that they can not be questioned. Now, you might have meant that because these were just your experiences that there is no way that you could describe them to us in such a way that would give them justice. Because you can't do that, you can't prove God's existence to anyone. This seems like a cop out to me though. If these experiences have led you to believe that there is a God and that there is no argument against these experiences in proving God's existence, you would be able to tell us the experiences that you've had and we would be able to see that God does in fact exist. If there is no fallibility to these experiences, then there can be no question. So, to me it comes down to either you can prove God's existence and you won't, or you can't prove God's existence at all. If you wouldn't mind sharing these experiences, so long as they're not too personal for you, we might be able to see God's existence as well. Either that or we could come up with natural explanations for your experiences, or we might be able to point out that these experiences do not necessitate the existence of God.


2. Believing is so important becuase, guess what? Sience doesn't explain everything.

I've actually got two problems with this, but they're related. This has been the argument for God for so long, but there's a problem with it. The people that use this argument look at what science has explained now, understand that science hasn't explained everything, and then use that lack of knowledge as a way to say that science "can't explain everything". This simply isn't true, at least not based on that logic.

The second problem I have here is that while you're accepting of what science has shown us thus far, you make the claim that there are things science will never be able to explain and that's where God comes in. This style of thinking leads to a God of the Gaps. Whatever science hasn't explained, God does. This is what has been going on for centuries. The brightest minds on Earth used to believe that the planets were held up by crystals, but that these crystals just gave the planets a path to turn and move on. It was angels that moved the planets, and they believed this because there was no scientific explanation for it at the time. Well, we now have solid evidence that this is not true. A little less than 500 years ago, the brightest minds on Earth believed that the sky and night sky was basically a wall that had been "painted" for us by God and that nothing in the night sky changed. Tycho Brahe proved this to be false after witnessing a supernova and then by determining whether or not comets were close to Earth (as in, in the atmosphere) or further away (out with the stars). He did this by using two vantage points and comparing what the background star was of the comet. If they were vastly different stars then the comet had to be close. If they were close or even the same star, then the comet had to be with the stars proving that the night sky was dynamic.

The point I'm trying to make with Tycho Brahe is that it's not a good idea to assume that just because we don't know something yet, it means that it's God's realm or some supernatural thing. It's also not a safe bet to say that we will never explain what's going on just because we can't explain it yet. Science is a vastly long way from being a complete thing and it makes no qualms about this, that's why there are still researchers.

3. We don't know complicated things like why we fall in love. Or simple ideas like why we yawn.

Neither one of these is necessarily true, and the second one is not true. We yawn for many reasons, but the main one is to cool down our brain when it begins to overheat. I'd say that psychology and scientists are doing some amazing work on brain studies to be able to find out why we "fall in love". You should check some of the studies out.

4. Believing in a God gives your life purpose and hope. It gives you something to live for, to give your life to God, to believe in Him, to serve Him, to follow Himy.

I actually have a very big problem with this. This heavily implies that without believing in a god your life can not have any purpose or hope. It heavily implies that you must believe in a god to have something to live for. This is not true at all. I have a lot of hope and I'm going to be spending my life helping other people recover from surgery and injuries. I think that's a pretty purpose filled occupation. Let alone if I ever have a family and children. Then I'll be working hard to not only help my patients but also to be able to provide for my family and be a good husband and father. Being there for your family has a purpose. Being there for your friends in their times of need also contains purpose. You don't need to believe in a god to do any of these things and there are many other much more exotic and world changing things that you can do without that belief.

Then it also heavily implies that believing that there is a god, or even that there is a god means that you should give you life to god, that you should serve it, and that you should follow it. Even if it is proven that there is a god, that in no way says anything about whether or not this god is praiseworthy, let alone whether or not we should bow down in servitude to it.

5. What brought me back to reality and to myself was knowing that, with an undying passion, Jesus loved me. God loved me. There was no gap, no ending in His passionate love for me. I couldn't, ever, deny his existence.

While this belief may be dear to you, where's the evidence for it? You can believe in God and Jesus all you want to, but without any evidence to support these claims you're going to find it hard to use that as an argument (or even a claim for that matter) when dealing with skeptics.

6. The Pope isn't perfect.

So, you're not Roman Catholic then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

7. Jesus made up those tests...The ten commandments.

Just a point to make, no problem really... That was God talking to Moses, not Jesus talking to Moses.

8. Think about them: Would you kill someone even if you had never heard of a God? Would you commint adultery and cheat on your spouse or boy/girlfriend if you had never heard of a God? Would you steal? Would you disrespect something you loved with all your heart?

Some people would do all of these things whether or not they had heard of a God. However, you can't say that people would do these things just because they hadn't heard of the god of the Bible (since we're only really dealing with that god in your post I think we should be clear). Take a class in sociology and you will notice that these principles were very important to many civilizations that never came across Jesus, God of the Bible, or Moses. Some of which did these things without the use of an idol/god, but just so that civilization could function.

One thing that I'm sure you Catholics are tired of hearing about really points out a major flaw in this argument, which is the rape and child abuse that Catholic priests have been doing for quite some time. While there are a small percentage of priests that have done these things, I will never do these things. I don't need a god to tell me that these acts are wrong, and apparently their devout belief in god didn't stop them from doing these things either.

9. If you do something wrong, you know it. God just put those into words.

Ah yes, now we're getting onto the subject of morality... right and wrong. Well, it's a very relative thing really. This is actually one of the areas that is most damning to me about the Bible in particular. You see, God tells us not to be jealous of our neighbors... yet he is described many times in the Bible as a jealous god. God of the Old Testament swears by "eye for an eye" and yet when Jesus comes around it's "turn the other cheek" and "forgive them 77 times 7 times". God of the Old Testament destroys Soddom and Gomorrah, yet Jesus was hanging out with the dregs of society so he could teach them. God of the Old Testament even punished King David for his adultery by having his wife and the woman David had sex with sleep with David's neighbor... and oh yeah, the death of King David's first born son (so all in all, David's wife is forced to sleep with another man, in a threesome no less, and then an innocent baby is to be killed. David got the best of it... well, maybe his neighbor did anyway). While God of the Bible states that morals are objective and that he decides what is right or wrong... his actions don't show this. This also raises the question... Is an action wrong because God says it is... or is it wrong because the action is wrong? Same principle... Is God good because he says he is, or is he good because of his actions? That last one is tricky when you compare the Old Testament to the New Testament.

10. And just because you don't, you aren't comdemd to hell.

Actually... in the words of Jesus from the Bible... "I am the way, the truth, and the light. No one can get to the father except through me". It seems to be perfectly clear that the Bible does condemn non-believers to hell simply for the lack of belief.

11. GOD DOESN"T HATE ANYBODY! Never. Ever. Ever. He went through the most painful and terrible death, just because he loves EVERYONE. God does not hate. God does not support hate.

That's not what the Bible seems to say.
Romans 9:13
Luke 14:26
Jeremiah 17:4

12. God also calls us to love everyone like a brother or sister.

Well, except for the parts where he's ordering people to be stoned to death, towns to be destroyed, etc. etc.

13. The religion is perfect, the people aren't.

I'd make the claim that neither is, but that the people are closer.

14. Hell: There has to be a consequence for our actions.

Why? If Jesus died for our sins, then why does there need to be a hell? If he's already paid for our sins, why do we need to believe that he did? Just because we believe that someone did something doesn't make it any more true. Neither does it make it any less true when we don't believe that someone did something even though they did. Also, how is an eternal punishment a fit punishment for a finite crime?

15. I'll try to answer any questions you have, but I don't have all the answers. I'm trying to find them, but that isn't what's improtant. God is important.

Whether or not "God is important" would be an answer to the main concern being addressed here though. Answers are important, even if the Bible says to stay away from philosophy and says that believing in something without any evidence is the most noble thing that you can do (I didn't put that last bit in quotes, because I'm not sure which verse it is... It is in the Bible however, and I could find it if you'd like).


Also, on the whole Ten Commandments thing, we could go through which ones of those God himself broke or condoned to be broken if you'd like. I don't want to derail this thread into a battle against Christianity though. That doesn't seem to be what the intent was.
I could go on and on, but I'm only going to discuss the pope right now. I am roman catholic, but we don't beleive the pope is perfect, although we de believe pope infalability (don't you love my spelling). We believe it is only the pope speaking God's words, which we do believe are
perfect. And, in the history of the catholic church, the pope has only used this 4 times. Needless to say, we don't use this lightly.

One more thing, please visit an official catholic website foryour facts, not wikipedia. Although there is some truth to it, better facts can be found at an diocese's website or the vatican's website

God Bless
I could go on and on

Then do it or don't bring it up. Otherwise I'm forced to assume that you can't.

We believe it is only the pope speaking God's words, which we do believe are
perfect. And, in the history of the catholic church, the pope has only used this 4 times. Needless to say, we don't use this lightly.


So, what would happen when in the future a different pope takes a different stance using ex cathedra teaching, than what is previously said in ex cathedra teaching? Now, obviously you don't think this can happen because it's allegedly god's words being spoken through the pope, but who's to say they're not lying or that god isn't going to change his mind? Better question, if the pope isn't perfect, then how do we know that he didn't make a mistake in believing that it was god's words in the ex cathedra teachings? How can you be sure of this?
Cuz I believe in God
Okay, that was an arragant response on my part. What I want to say is that the Pope is picked with great care. Hundreds of people are behind that descision, and if the POpe didn't follow the Catholic teachings, intervention would be made.

Now, I bet right now you are thinking of all the times the pope has had kids, molested children, and sinned throughout history. In modern day, we learn from our mistakes. And, if by any chance, the Pope used his infalbility against what we believe, thousands good and honest Catholics will fight it, but so far, that has not been the case. If, by some impossible chance, the pope abuses his power, nobody stands up to him, and the entire Church is ruined, by beleives, moral and true to God, would not waver. No matter what human kind does, God doesn't change, and as long as I am Catholic, neither will my values. If the pope used his infalablity wrongly and I knew it to be true, I myself would stand up against the injustice and defend my values for my life

and just to add closure for not discussing the other issues: I don't have enough time type out all the answers. In the nicest way possible, we are both very stubborn people, which is a good thing. We are ready to stand by what we believe. I can't change your views on the other issues and feel like no matter what I say, I will never change what you think. For this issue, I feel as though you have your facts wrong and I could tell you what the Catholic community believes.
I can't wait for your response.
Blessings: anna
If intervention has to be made against the Pope when he believes that what he is saying is really from God, how could there possibly be papal infallibility other than just as a way to rule over those who have a blind faith in Catholicism?

I was actually thinking more about the Crusades, Spanish Inquisition, and the murder of scientists who happened to find facts that went against the literal translation of the Bible. I guess those times fit in under "sinned throughout history" though.

You say that God never changes, but if he never changes how can he have all of these emotional swings?
Genesis 6:6
Jonah 3:10
1 Samuel 2:30-31
Then there was being pleased with his creation and then not being pleased with his creation but destroying almost all of it.... He's just not that static of a character. He's very dynamic and with a being that is all-powerful, that's not a good thing.

That doesn't really add closure to the other issues. Whenever you have time type out an answer to one of them in a word document and then save it. Continue to add on to it when you get more time until you've answered all you can. I'll wait.
I have no issue answering your other questions, but I feel as thougha nun, priest, or someone who studies Catholisim deeply could give you a much better answer than me. If you truly want the answers, find them on a Catholic website too. Please don't just google them.

Back to our discussion, God never loves us any less, we (as a community) turned from him. I've discussed with my priest the issues involving God slaughtering all man kind. It was because the whole race was complelty turned away from him. Murder, rape, homosexuality (to be clear, this is one point i won't argue. Please don't bring up homosexuality in your next response. although I don't support it, it is already an issue I've argued already on this website).

Anyway, God loves us the same, no matter what we do. I blindly follow Him. That sounds stupid, right? Again, I can't prove Him to you. We will find all the answers after we die.

To pick a point with God being pleased with his creation. He still is. And that quote is from before Adam ate the apple and the world was perfect. Afterwards, God was angry we did not follow his laws, bur he still loves you.

I can't press this poit further. My final words on pope infalibitiy is that it is not taken lightly. We need someone to lead us, just like any society. I encourage you to get in contact with someone who can guide you better than me.

Finally, I want to thank you. I don't know of you read my other response, but I want to thank everyone who has told me I'm wrong, picked my words apart, and critized my believes. I don't mean to sound sarcastic, and truly am glad I have been able to discuss this with you. You have given me an outlest to spread God's words and something to think and pray about.

I always pray for you and hope you well. I want to hear your response and please ask me any questions. Like I said to Alex, I won't be able to answer everything, but I'll try.

I love you. God loves you. And thanks, once again.
Well, at the very least points 1-5 shouldn't need to be asked to a priest or nun as they don't really have anything to do with the Bible but just the arguments that you yourself were making (and the implications of using those arguments).

I don't think that you can say that God always loves us the same amount if in the Bible itself it points out that God does hate as well. One example of this is Psalm 5. Let's look at verses 4-5:

"4For thou art not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. "

Note that this does not say that God hates all work of iniquity, but all workers of iniquity. This is just one of many examples.

No, it doesn't sound stupid. It just sounds like you've been indoctrinated into a widely held belief. I don't mean to use indoctrination in a bad manner, because just about everyone with a family, or guardian, that actually acted as a parental figure will have been indoctrinated in some way. It just depends on the beliefs and ideals of the parents.

My point with picking the Creation story quote and then following it up with the Flood story quote is that this statement:
"God doesn't change"
Is not true. It can't be true if God goes through different emotions. The very fact that the Bible says he can be pleased and displeased says that he can change. I also think you face a very real problem when you say that God doesn't change because of issues like this:

Deuteronomy 24:16 "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sin."
also:
2 Kings 14:6
Ezekiel 18:20

Those verses compared to these verses:

Exodus 20:5 "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me"
Exodus 34:6-7
2 Samuel 12:13-18
Isaiah 14:21
Romans 5 (pay attention to 12 and 19)
1 Corinthians 15:22

If God doesn't change then either he's a liar, the Bible is wrong, or the Biblical God does not exist. At least, those are the only three options I can think of.

The need for someone to lead you does not mean that the man that is leading you is infallible ever. That's the point I'm making. Let's look at the facts as you've presented them to me:
The pope is not perfect.
The ex cathedra teachings of the pope are infallible.

From my understanding, the ex cathedra teaching of the pope are when the pope believes that god is speaking but using the pope as a medium, of sorts, for communication. If the only part of the pope that is infallible is the words that he says in an ex cathedra teaching, that means that his ability to recognize that god is speaking through him is not perfect. This means that he could make a mistake and think that god is talking through him when he's not or not know that it's god that's talking through him when he is. So the question is how could we know that it really was god talking through him and not a mistake, or how do we know it wasn't god talking through him and that he made the mistake in not realizing it?

By the way, you're the kind of Christian that I like. The kind that isn't preachy and concerned with telling everyone that doesn't believe that we're going to hell.
For some reason, the computer won't let me reply directly to your comment I feel as though you misunderstood what I meant by saying 'God doesn't change'. That was my fault. I'm not saying God doesn't have emotions. He does, but what I meant to say is that God never stops loving you. I feel like that is something we are missing in this conversation. The utmost reason I follow my religion is because of God's love. As I said before, I cannot answer why it's
quoted God hates people. But look at the Passion of Our Lord. Even if you don't believe he is God's son, a Prophet, or holy, why would He allow himself one of the most terrible forms of death? He did it because he was faithful to his teachings. Despite the fact if you believe in Jesus or not, His message was of peace and virtue. He was poor and humble. Without getting into the theology of His death (because, although I'll answer any questions you have about it, I feel as though the deep meaning behind it is something that takes a leap of faith to believe. By any means, ask me questions if you wanto, but I feel as though that is an entirely different blog post) He could have ran away or escaped if he did not die out of love. I don't feel as though I have to describe the pain of a crusifiction, and it's pain.

Now, as a Catholic, I believe that Jesus is God's Son, part of the Holy Trinity, and sent to save us from Hell and open the doors to heaven, but, as far as I know, you don't believe that. So, argueing that side would be pointless.

And thanks for not calling me preachy. I really enjoy this. You are very well informed and know what your talking about, something I admire.

And with my usual out-tro God bless you

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Here are some YT links to channels related to Nerdfighteria and educational content!

*Can you think of any more? Pass along any suggestions to an Admin who will then add it to this list should it fit!

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