Wellfare bad or good

[Latch33570]

I am sick of useless people on welfare. I am not talking about the ones that need it. I don t mind them but I think  the majority of people getting it are just useless people.

[Primrose or Sen or Pruechelan]

well it's unfair for the child to be left, If their parents can't care for them, what do you do with the child?

[Latch33570]

If the parents cant take care of them take them away.

[Eystein,]

You simply are just a cranky old loon aren't you? Take them away where exactly? A poor mom and/or dad, is better than no mom and/or dad at all.

[Primrose or Sen or Pruechelan]

Although now, I want to leave my home because my mother is a lunatic, when I was a kid & my mother haad no means to earn money I don't think all of her children should have been taken away. It's scientifically proven that it's much better for children to be with there own parents for later mental health.

[Latch33570]

Most that are  on welfare would be off they would get a job or work longer or more. The private sector donations would go up. OH and yes I am a cranky old loon. I am so terrible because I think that people should pay their own way and other people should be able to keep what they earned unless it goes to the common good. IF people cant feed em they shouldn t breed em. Especially with todays acess to contraceptives and family planning. Please, they are just irresponsible people at least most of them.

[Eystein,]

The reason I called you cranky, grandpa =P, is not because I don't agree with you that having a baby at a young age is incredibly stupid, imo. It is because you seem so incredibly more hellbent on judging and pushing these people away, than you are concerned with the well-being of their more or less "accidental" children.

 

Why does it matter so much to you?

 

 

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

The private sector donations would go up.

 

You have yet to prove this, this is a mere optimisitc belief, one not grounded in any kind of reality. 

 

I am so terrible because I think that people should pay their own way and other people should be able to keep what they earned unless it goes to the common good.

 

The reason you are terrible is because you continue to maintain your beliefs and when people ask you to present evidence to support them, you refuse. You expect us to accept your own experience as all the evidence required that most people on welfare are lazy, despite the fact that there are plenty of other people with experience that contradicts yours. And you expect us to believe that private contributions would cover the gap left by the state if the state withdrew, without any evidence to suggest that is the case. 

 

IF people cant feed em they shouldn t breed em. Especially with todays acess to contraceptives and family planning. Please, they are just irresponsible people at least most of them.

 

Some people make bad choices, yes. That doesn't mean they should always have to suffer etc.

[Latch33570]

Vertigo I have provided some evidence on cause of poverty which anyone can look up. The main cause is out of wedlock children. www.heritage.org use their search engine to look up understanding poverty in the US. What do you mean they shouldn t have to "suffer"? They should have to pay. I firmly believe that private donations would take care of the problem. I cant prove it because there are no modern examples that I know of and welfare started in the 30's. Bye the way I am not a terrible person. I am actually a nice guy. By the way what  does imo mean?

 

Eistein It matters because I think that it is wrong to take forcefully from someone who earned something to give to someone who didnt. Because that person acted irresponsibly. It doesn t affect me personally because I no longer pay income taxes.

[Eystein,]

By the way what  does imo mean?

 

Haha, that used to bug me too xD. It means 'in my opinion'. When in doubt, check out 'urbandictionary.com'.

 

Why don't you pay income tax?

 

I must agree with Vertigo on the donation thing. I don't think people would donate measurably more in the long run. Maybe there would be a short boost, but soon people would forget about it and gradually shift toward spending all the money on themselves instead like we usually do.

[Loxi]

Read through it. They fail to look at people's entire situations, and declare they aren't poor because they aren't poor enough. They also fail to address the realities of the entire situation. Let's look at my case, because I'm familiar with it. 

To most people who don't interact with me long and don't truly know me, I appear to be an average 19 year old slightly overweight girl, in fair health, who has a place to live, access to basic amenities and food, and loves pop.

To those who DO know me well and interact with me regularly, they know I am a severely disabled autistic who is impaired across a wide range of various necessary life skills, including sensory differences, social impairments, functional communication, spacial reasoning skills, problem solving skills, and executive functioning skills, who is physically unable to drink non-carbonated beverages without throwing up, and with an untreated thyroid problem leading to her being unable to loose weight no matter how active I am or how little they will let me eat. (I hate eating. There are only 10 foods I can afford that I can physically eat, and it's a waste of time I could spend doing something else. My husband and my friend make me eat.)  

I have access to the things I do because I can use my food stamps to cover my own food, and I am lucky enough to have my husband who has a friend who allows us to remain in his home and use his basic amenities because we have our own food source.

Because I can not drink non carbonated beverages-even water-without throwing up, we buy soda and carbonated water, and then cash in the returns every 3 months. We make about $9/month doing this, and with this money, we buy shampoo, deodorant, toothpaste, shaving creme and home medicines, like fish-tank antibiotics and other things most people go to the doctor for and wouldn't know about. We can not afford toilet paper, laundry soap, dish soap, or conditioner.

Because I was not diagnosed until I was 19 due to having abusive parents, I can not get Social Security, therapy or other help. I can however, get medicaid. Unfortunately, the doctor I was assigned has no understanding of Autism or my lack of functional communication. I am unable to explain to him what is wrong in a way that gets him to realize it is a problem. I have several conditions ranging from mild to possibly life threatening that are going untreated because I can't talk to him. 

My husband, who does not have documentation of his disabilities, can not get health care. He has a collapsed lung that causes pneumonia at least twice a year, a bubble from said lung pressing against his heart, a thyroid issue, shattered wisdom teeth that cause heart attacks fairly regularly (I've witnessed two of them). He also has major migraine-mini stroke things, and has had a brain aneurysm that caused him to lose the ability to cook. He can't even make a sandwich. He could die tomorrow, and I'd have nowhere to go, no one to take care of me, no income whatsoever, and no access to basic amenities. Fortunately, he knows some basic medicinal stuff, and can get and/or make some basic medicines to keep him alive, such as antibiotics they use to clean fish tanks, etc. 

Because of his friend, we technically have basic amenities, but if we did not, we could not afford anything. Without food stamps, his friend would not have taken us in, as he would not have been able to feed us.  

To someone on the outside, like you, you could easily assume we are taking advantage of the system. We seem reasonably able-bodied. He seems well educated. We both appear to have the basic necessities we need to survive, and people willing to help take care of us. If you didn't look into the reality of what we face, then you'd seem correct. In some cases, the surface appearance may even be the truth. Someone WOULD step in and help them get by. Unfortunately, there are usually is a lot more than what you see on the surface.

[Eystein,]

Again Loxi, I must say hearing what you got to deal with makes me cold sweat. It's horrible. I don't know what to say... :(

[Übereil]

"It is far better to grasp the future as it really is then to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring."

Carl Sagan