What is universal truth?

[Brooke Curto]

Yes, this topic is very broad but it has been the question that MANY people have tried to slove, but could not. Let's see who tried and came close... Socrates, Aristotle , and Plato. Plato had is allegory of the cave, but I am putting this debate up here so we could possibly brainstorm what truth might be and how to possibly find it! May the truth be with you :P ~

-Brooke "Alexios I" Curto  

^yes Alexios I was the king of Byzantium during the crusades XD 

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[Brooke Curto]

but when do we know when we don't have a lie; what about white lies? Those are not truth, nor lies! 

[CD]

i dunno. white lies are actually lies, but may be told without malicious intent. like when my butt really does look big in this, and my friend says, no. it stops me from going into a needless rant about my butt and we just go out and have fun. sure my butt looks big. the bigger question though is why should i care that my butt looks big?  maybe that's culture. and maybe the lie in the culture is that butt size matters, and it is malicious because it makes me, in this example, worry over nothing, and lead my friend to tell me a white lie.  lies upon lies...:)

[Lux]

Truth is what each individual believes to be true. Tangentially, truth is also usually what the majority of people in a population believe to be true. Individuals tend to side with the majority, or whatever social group they most associate themselves with.

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

Truth is what each individual believes to be true.

No, it isn't. 2+2=4. Whether you believe it does or doesn't has no affect on its truth.

[Lux]

Every symbol in the equation 2+2=4 is a manmade, artificial explanation for the phenomenon we have determined to be "math". If I decide that the symbol "9" actually holds the metaphorical value of 4, then 2+2 can equal 9. Of course, there is a universally accepted value for 4, so nobody really questions it. That doesn't make it inherently "true".

[Vertigo_One [Ops Mod]]

You're not getting what I'm saying. All you've done is change the values of what the symbols stand for. The truth of what the symbols express remains, regardless of what you say. That is universal, and you cannot claim otherwise.

[Anders Nielsen]

a universal truth cannot be proven, for we don't know what lies in the universe that we can't see.