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Personally, I am pro choice and although I try not to talk about it in respect of other's opinions, it seems like so many pro life supporters are trying to push there thoughts down mine.

So, what is your stance on Abortion? ...just curious. :D

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bit of a slip of the tongue. to say the freaking least.

Abortions are okay, because this people are not even born yet. They are not people, not babies, just embryos.

What makes an embryo less important than you?

Well, I'm 16 years old, that means I have 16 years of unique experience which makes me a unique individuum, and also many people lost their time on making me the person I am(including my parents, teachers, doctors, everybody who ever did baked bread or any other stuff which i consumed). Also, I share all the characteristics of human, which embryo doesn't. This creates a very complicated systemin which every born human being is related. But that's not my point on topic, that's how i differ from embryo.

And the embryo itself is not a born human being yet. Technically its just a parasite in a womans body consuming the energy TO further develop into a human. Nature is kind of complicted, yeah. The very fact that embryo is connected to woman makes it part of her body, so the woman herself should decide on its faint. What pro-life people are saying is we shouldn't remove inflamed appendix because it's the same part of us as lungs or heart.

Sorry for grammar, not native english speaker.

Well, I'm 16 years old, that means I have 16 years of unique experience which makes me a unique individuum


Right, but what about when you've just been born? You have no experience then? So is it okay to kill you then?

 

Also, I share all the characteristics of human, which embryo doesn't.


Really, what characteristics?

Technically its just a parasite in a womans body consuming the energy TO further develop into a human.


Technically, you are also a parasite, it's just that you suck things out of the planet. Does that mean that you can be killed too?

The very fact that embryo is connected to woman makes it part of her body


But it has separate DNA, so no. It's not part of her body.

What pro-life people are saying is we shouldn't remove inflamed appendix because it's the same part of us as lungs or heart.


No, they're not. Appendixes etc are organs. They arn't human individuals. A human being has its own DNA, and unlike an organ, is growing using its own mitosis, not someone else's.

Right, but what about when you've just been born? You have no experience then? So is it okay to kill you then?


I was born already. I had feelings, and probably the moment of birth is a great experience for any child.

Really, what characteristics?

Fully developed brain to actually interact with the world. 

Technically, you are also a parasite, it's just that you suck things out of the planet. Does that mean that you can be killed too?

What exectly am I parasitizing on?

But it has separate DNA, so no. It's not part of her body.

It's still connected to woman, isn't it?

No, they're not. Appendixes etc are organs. They arn't human individuals. A human being has its own DNA, and unlike an organ, is growing using its own mitosis, not someone else's.

 

So the most important thing is DNA? Well, extract the embryo's DNA and use it.

Being human is not just sharing human DNA, it's also about the way we interact with the world, and each other. It's about having an ability to think and be creative. To be a part of the society, global economy, etc.

I understand what you mean, but I don't think that abortion should be completely unrestricted either. I'm sort of in between the extremes ("STOP MURDERING POOR CUTE BABIES YOU POOR CUTE BABIES MURDERERSS!!" and "WE HAVE A RIGHT TO HAVE AS MUCH SEX AS WE WANT WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT GETTING PREGNANT!!").

I think that abortion should be allowed when the parents can't take care of the child, because of age or financial reasons, or whatever other problems they have. Of course, one may argue that there's always adoption, which is true, but there's still a lot of money involved with being pregnant that some people just can't afford.
I'm definitely pro choice, and I will demonstrate & protect women going abortion clinics against pro-lifers when necessary. They are free to protest and express their opinion, but I think it is scandalous that they are sometimes allowed to do it right outside abortion clinics and harass the women visiting them.

That said, I don't think it is a light or easy matter, and I don't think it should be seen as just another form of birth control as it is by some women, in some countries more than others. I think good sex education for everyone from an early age is crucial to help prevent unwanted pregnancies, as is access to affordable contraception for everyone. That won't prevent *all* unwanted pregnancies though, and I do strongly believe that abortion is a better option for both mother and foetus than bringing an unwanted child into the world.

There are issues I haven't made up my mind on yet, such as the involvement of the father: what if the father actually wants to have the child but the mother doesn't? Obviously you can't force a woman to carry and bear a child against her will, but is it really *just* the woman's choice? Is it as traumatic for a father whose partner decides to abort their offspring against his will as it is for a woman to be forced into an abortion by her partner or family? What can possibly be done in those situations?
I am just like you when it comes to the father's place in the woman's choice. ...there is just so much put into this topic, and none of it is easy to digest.
"I do strongly believe that abortion is a better option for both mother and foetus than bringing an unwanted child into the world."

totally agree with that!
Small point: There is this teeny weeny little bitty thing called adoption. New fangled as it is I'm sure you've heard of it. Just cause a life is unwanted doesn't mean it doesn't deserve to be alive. In the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (written by a woman, Eleanor Roosevelt to be exact) article 3 states: Everyone has the right to LIFE, liberty, and security of person. And I don't know about you, but I tend to like the UDHR. Plus, there is a huge number of families that can't have kids at all; and they want that child.
Small point: when you have a baby, your body does not go back to normal. Your vagina does not take kindly to having a pumpkin pushed through it.

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