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Comment by CD on May 15, 2012 at 5:02pm

god did it?

Comment by Christian gentry on May 15, 2012 at 1:50pm

As stated in my previous post I think the big bang theory is correct

Comment by Ryan Leahy on May 15, 2012 at 1:05pm

Except, of course, for all the evidence we do have for the big bang, like that fact that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate, cosmic background radiation and the abundance of primordial gas clouds, to name but a few.

Comment by Christian gentry on May 15, 2012 at 10:26am

Very interesting, Thank you for the information. I still think that though we have no real evidence of either I would rather believe in a creator. Thank you for answering my questions. 

Comment by Henry Gaudet on May 15, 2012 at 4:58am

The Big Bang is a lot to wrap your head around, no question.  But if the something-out-of-nothing bit bothers you, I don't see how a creator solves this.  

Instead of a universe springing forth at the dawn of time, we have a creator - capable of creating a universe without leaving any evidence of his/her/its presence - springing forth.  We still have something spontaneously appearing.

Only with a creator, it's a hugely complex higher power with at-least near-omnipotence.  The Big Bang suggests a burst of energy and matter that became more complex over time.  

Both are hugely improbable, and only entertained as even remotely possible because we have a universe in the first place, but a creator demands much more of improbability: intelligence, omnipotence, even the desire to create.  The Big Bang isn't as demanding.  Matter and energy. Everything else follows naturally, predictably even.  

 

Comment by Zach Minute on May 14, 2012 at 10:29pm

Another important thing to remember is that having an explanation isn't necessarily better than not knowing. If you have an explanation and you are wrong, you may have other aspects of your metaphysical viewpoint that come tumbling down due to your presupposition. However, if you wait until things can be shown concretely, you rarely have to worry about being wrong, but you'll have to accept that there will be times that you can't answer certain questions.

I mean, doesn't it seem ludicrous that the whole of this monstrous universe's creation should be understood by us at this point in our development. It's silly to assume an answer at this point, hence it seems more apt to simply say, "I don't know," and wait for a more solid footing on which to stand. We may not have an answer, but saying, "God did it" merely out of a lack of anything else to say is not a good solution. Now, faith is a different thing, but I don't deal in faith. Faith scares me.

Comment by Nicholas Titterton on May 14, 2012 at 6:00pm

"Under extreme conditions, general relativity and quantum theory allow time to behave like another dimension of space. This removes the distinction between time and space, and means that the laws of [stellar] evolution can also determine the initial state. The universe can spontaneously create itself out of nothing."  ---- Stephen Hawking, Astrophysicist. TED Talk 2008.

Basicly, because time and space are linked, as proved by Albert Einstein, and space did not exist before the big bang, nor could time. This means the universe must have come from nothing because nothing could have caused it. There are a few more things to know, but that is the gist of it.

Comment by David N on May 14, 2012 at 4:48pm

@Christian gentry

Thank you, firstly, for being receptive and respectful.

Now, according to my research, the Big Bang was essentially the beginning point of our modern laws of physics. The Big Bang was the beginning of time and matter. There were no pre-Big Bang physics, at least not ones we can ever know of. That's the gist of it I got, it goes into some really advanced math and scientific properties. I think the quantum Universe being hypothesized now is too complicated, abstract and in some cases absurd––yes, even going against some older constructs of Newtonian physics and "common sense"--for the average person to understand, at least not without extensive education.

Comment by Christian gentry on May 14, 2012 at 3:28pm

I have done that research before but don't the laws of thermodynamics say you cant have something from nothing? 

Comment by Eowynesque on May 14, 2012 at 3:13pm

Mr. Gentry, Your question assumes that because the universe exists it must have a purpose. Although, your wording is a bit confusing. Perhaps you're asking how the universe came into being out of nothing. The Big Bang did not need a god to make it happen. It was quite capable of happening all on its own--a quick Google search will 

The more we learn about the universe the more apparent it becomes that a magical higher power was not necessary for the universe to happen. In the absence of all substantial proof, why continue to believe he/she/it exists?

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