Divinity of Christ and the Trinity.

[Terry]

This probably sounds heretical but just try to answer me please. 

So I was wondering about it, I've always been raised Roman Catholic and taught that Jesus is both man and God and that Him, God, and the Spirit where one, but now I'm not necessarily a Roman Catholic and this topic came up somewhere and I can't find any quotes supporting it (I may not be looking hard enough), while there are parts that are against it. 

For one, Jesus said that His works are accomplished through God, and if He where God would this make sense? 

Also once He went to town to heal people and He started feeling sick and faint and didn't have enough power, wouldn't this mean that He wasn't all powerful? 

And for the Trinity part, the Bible says that you can say anything you want about Jesus as long as you don't say anything about the Holy Spirit, but if they where the same how would this be possible? 

Also throughout the Acts and letters the apostles always referred to Him as a separate entity from God. 

So I'm just a little confused, any help is appreciated! 

[E_Lewis]

But what does it mean?

 

 

[Bryan Rosander, FL]

Blasphemy is like defamation of God.  The Pharisees accused Jesus of blasphemy because he claimed to be God, which would have been making himself, a human, equal to God.  If he really was only a human, even a righteous one, that would have been blasphemy.

 

In this case, the Pharisees claimed that Jesus' powers came from Satan, which is an even clearer defamation of God's character.

 

I find it much harder to distinguish between the potential targets of this blasphemy, whether God the father, Jesus, or the Holy Spirit.

[E_Lewis]

But what does it mean to blasphemy the Holy Spirit but not the Son? How exactly do you do that?

[Bryan Rosander, FL]

But what does it mean to blasphemy the Holy Spirit but not the Son?

It is possible that they could do both.  The more interesting question is how could they blaspheme the Son and not the Holy Spirit.

How exactly do you do that?

All of the commentators say that whatever this sin was, it is impossible now because it was tied to Jesus' presence on earth.  Jesus was warning the pharisees about it because they were in danger of committing it or already had.

 

Specifically, they claimed that Jesus' power came from Satan, rather than God / the Holy Spirit.  In that sense, they were claiming that the Holy Spirit was Satan.

[E_Lewis]

So, doesn't that mean that if someone said Jesus' power was from Satan, even though Jesus isn't here anymore, wouldn't that be blasphemying the Holy Spirit?

And why can't you be forgiven if you blasphemy the Holy Spirit?

[Bryan Rosander, FL]

So, doesn't that mean that if someone said Jesus' power was from Satan, even though Jesus isn't here anymore, wouldn't that be blasphemying the Holy Spirit?

They all claim that you had to see it in person for it to be unforgivable.

And why can't you be forgiven if you blasphemy the Holy Spirit?

I never understood that at all either, even with the explanations I could find online.  Maybe I will ask some of my seminary friends.

[Daniel Sik]

Hi Terry,

IDon't worry, you aren't a heretic. Heresy is a constant persistance in error, which you aren't displaying, you are merely and inquirer. I am Roman Catholic and i agree that the ides of the trinity can be hard to understand. I like to think of the trinity like water. So, ice isn't water and water isn't vapor, but ice, water and water vapor are all H2O. So, Jesus isn't the Holy spirit, not is God the father Jesus. The word is consubstantial, it doesn't mean 'like' and it doesn't mean 'of the same substance' but is in the middle, i suppose. So when you speak of Jesus, you dont speak of the father, or the holy spirit for that matter. When Jesus says his works are accomplished through God, he means God the father. Just like water is cooled down by ice, one can say it is impossible as H20 can't cool H2O but it works. 

Hope i helped