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Comment by Alexis P. on November 5, 2012 at 6:22pm

I really want a Bible Study Buddy while I read 1 John. Anyone want to read it with me? Also could you pray for me to get stronger in my faith?

Comment by Bryan Rosander, FL on October 18, 2012 at 7:26am

@Hannah le Faye - I think the problem is that it is a form of rebellion against God in avoiding children. People who can't have children aren't rebelling.

I do think that the subject needs to be handled carefully, as unmarried people shouldn't / can't be having kids either. Meanwhile, Paul advocated singleness as an alternative to marriage.

Comment by Hannah le Faye on October 17, 2012 at 8:27pm

So if I'm never going to be able to birth a child because of medical reasons, does that mean I shouldn't be allowed to get married?  Wouldn't my parenting of any adopted child be a blessed thing to come out of my marriage, in theory, stronger than single parenthood?  Should we not allow women past menopause to get married because there will be no new life created?  Are people who can't or choose not to have children any less married?

Comment by Malcolm on October 17, 2012 at 3:38pm

James I didn't mean to alienate the whole of Catholicism. Like you said there are some who fall prey to merit biased forgiveness. And perhaps I should clarify, but I have seen this everywhere in the Christian faith. Though as I have seen it mostly surrounding Catholics. I have lived in many different areas across the country. I have met people and heard what they have said. I have had deep conversations and it is a common flaw to focus on actions as opposed to heart.

Now I understand that what I said about sexuality does seem convoluted. But when I read Christianity; I think about the relationship with God. 

Comment by N4m4w45 on October 17, 2012 at 9:45am

Okay, Bryan! I do want to say something though:

The whole topic of gay marriage was actually very hard for me to consider. As a Catholic Christian, I was taught that gay marriage is wrong, but also we have to love everyone. 

So I did some research on the subject. Why isn't it moral to have gay marriage? What I got was actually very interesting:

What is marriage, exactly? Its the celebration of the greatest love that's out there. The love between a man and a woman. But what makes that love better? One can love his/her parents just as much, or have very strong feelings for your siblings, or best friends. Why is a significant other the best love? 

More importantly, why does it have to be a member of the opposite sex?

The answer is the direct result of marriage. The reason why the love between a man and a woman trumps every other kind of love is because that love ultimately makes another life, similar to how the love between God the Father and God the Son makes the Holy Spirit. Married couples ideally have children.

Gay marriage doesn't produce that. Yes, they can adopt or do other things to gain children, but they can't use their love to make another life.

That's why gay marriage is not moral, why its not right. Because marriage is built upon the sacred love of producing another life. That's the trump card.

However,that doesn't mean we have to be mean or hateful to gay people. They may technically be in the wrong, but we have no right to tell them that. We have no right to treat them differently. 

Just act loving to them, pray for them, trust in God, and see what happens.

Those are my thoughts. :D

Comment by Bryan Rosander, FL on October 17, 2012 at 7:55am

Just a reminder, we have some of these gay marriage discussions in the archives too.

Despite its ambiguous title, that's what this one is about:

Personal Beliefs and Universal Maxims

And the much longer thread:

Gay Marriage

Comment by James Michael DeMaio on October 17, 2012 at 4:46am

Hey Malcolm,

While I appreciate a lot of what you say, (especially before you start talking about sexuality).  I just want to lay down a friendly-neighborhood-reminder that Christianity is a varied and rich tradition with billions of people reading (essentially) the same text and coming up with thousands of supported interpretation. As such, I'd have to say that while there are certainly some Catholics that fall prey to merit-based forgiveness, it is not Catholic doctrine to ignore God's grace, mercy, and forgiveness, and your hurtful comments directed at Catholics as a group are unfounded and undercut your entire argument.

Comment by Malcolm on October 16, 2012 at 11:52pm

Christianity

Hannah Faye says" The ten commandments are all about not harming others, not being greedy, and being conscious that you're living your life with goodness."

She is probably on page 2 now. But that is not the point of the law. That is not the point of Christ. That is not the point of the bible. Christ himself sums up the entirety in just two verses.

Matthew 22
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'

If your concept of Christianity is "be good to please God"; you aren't a Christian. I am sorry but that is truth. It is recanted throughout the New Testament in various ways. You don't know God. You don't know Grace. You don't understand Christ's Death. You won't be accepted into heaven. If you are at the Gates of heaven and you site all of these things you did "for God" will he claim to know you? Can you claim to know him?

What you said Hannah is the great threat to Christianity. It turns us from Christian to religion. From God's grace to our will.

Religion: I obey to be accepted by God
Christianity: I'm accepted by God therefore I obey.

Islam, Mormonism, parts of Catholicism, Hindu, Buddhism... These all expect the works of man to get them into "heaven" They all have a concept of heaven. They all have a sense morality. Some have Deity. But they all lack Christ. They all lack forgiveness. They lack Grace.

Now with this in mind and the topic at hand, how do homosexuality and Christianity mix? As I see it they don't; Sexuality and Christianity don't mix. I shall remain a virgin until marriage. Jude tells us to evade sensuality, a life without restraint. That is what a lot of people with same sex attraction do. But not all.

How do Gays and Christianity mix? As I see it, Gay is a lifestyle. It builds around your “sexuality.” You go to pflag and LGBT pride events and all of this crud that in no way honors God. You take a trait, you spin it into an Identity, you make it decide your job, wardrobe, speech, friendships, and diet. This is all outside of God and taking “worldly” to new heights or lows, depending on your perspective of whether or not Worldly is good or not. In my opinion it isn’t good. Gay is taking a trait and turning it into something bigger. It is an understandable mistake. I mean this is a trait defines who you want to spend your life with. According to biblical marriage, two individuals become one. They are a part of your identity. However placing an identity before God makes a new god. Straight people have this problem too it is just less recognized.

How do Christianity and same sex marriage mix? I can’t answer honestly because I don’t know. A part of me strongly leans towards following “tradition.” Marriage is man and women together forever... However the part of me that loves other men says that marriage is an attempt to make our internal reflection of God more complete. This part of me says in undying honesty that another man could make me a better man of God, a better parent for his children, and a better child of his. In my opinion that is the point of marriage. Yet somehow I am still divided.

The law however can never state that a Marriage is an entity designed to do those things. This is because it is a Christian Marriage. A Marriage with Christ at the Center.

Comment by Danno on October 16, 2012 at 1:59pm

indeed

Comment by Emily Saywell-Smith on October 15, 2012 at 10:52pm

I like Who's comment. I agree

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