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The Bible 24 Replies

All scripture is given by inspiration of God note its Gods book, he takes care that despite mans helping or not, it still retains Gods intent.Continue

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How much of the Bible can we trust? 26 Replies

So, this is something I was thinking about, and I wanted to hear what everyone else thought. There are so many things in the Bible that have been translated, over and over again, reworded. There are…Continue

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so what do all of you think about hank's most recent video about sexuality? do you think its a little sad that our scociety thinks that you are an insensitive jerk if you are at all opposed to gay…Continue

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Prayer Requests and PTLs 36 Replies

Philippians 4:6Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18Be joyful always; pray…Continue

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Comment by Malcolm on November 8, 2012 at 12:32am: I have several points that I think need to be made.

Are children the only justification for marriage? I do not think so. The reason I say this is because it wasn't even the original justification. In the Garden of Eden, (Genesis 2:18) Then the LORD God said, “It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.”

This is the first statement about something that wasn't good! It concerned man and solitude. So clearly procreation had nothing to do with marriage in the beginning. It only concerned a relationship and lack thereof. We often forget that.

Now a question I frequently struggled with is if God said it was not good for man to be alone, how could Paul turn around and say “To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.”

(1 Corinthians 7:8 ESV)

I think that

a) it has something to do with our relationship with Christ

b) the mandate has drifted over time

c) In the body of the Church are we ever truly alone?

I think that a) and c) play off of each other just a bit. With Christ at the center of our spiritual lives he can take the place of any spouse we would have had. And then since the Church is the representative of Christ, and Christ directs himself, he can make people within benefit each other in support, care, and trust.

On b) I personally am not sure. This one I feel has the biggest basis in same-sex marriage, but I regretfully feel has the weakest standing. The mandate in the beginning was clearly for relationship right? But by the time we get to Moses and Israel, the goal of marriage is clearly children. These children were born for the purpose of making a great nation that numbered the stars... We have the Abrahamic promise to full fill. But by the time we get to Rome and more modern Judea-Christianity the goal is switched more towards the relationship again. Now the question is how far do we take relationship? How do we define it? Why should we define it?

Now I have heard the Christian Marriage succinctly defined as this:

Christian Marriage is a man and a woman who devote themselves and their household to the authority of Christ.

Now a simple question I have is why “a man and a woman”.

Comment by Hannah le Faye on November 7, 2012 at 10:18pm: @Bryan You're not making any sense. This started as an argument against same-sex marriage and has turned into "Everyone who doesn't want to birth kids is selfish." Many couples, including same-sex couples, want to adopt children and give them stable loving homes. I do not think that is selfish, nor is that marriage wrong simply because they do not or cannot procreate, in fact, I think it is exceedingly noble to bring in a child to your family as your own. If Paul was doing right by staying single, then why couldn't a married couple without children be doing right because they have other work to do in the Kingdom of God? I think you must not know very many people who decide not to have children if you think that the definition of marriage is having babies or trying to.

Comment by Bryan Rosander, FL on November 7, 2012 at 11:49am: The stereotype tends to be more like:

I don't want to have children because I still want to travel everywhere, I don't want them running around my house making messes, and they cost too much.

I'm not saying that they are right or wrong to abstain from having kids. I'm just saying that God considers children a blessing while the couple in my example don't.

Other situations might be different. I'm not saying who is rebelling. I do know families who have said that they wished that they had had more kids when they had the chance and that not doing so was a form of idolizing their own priorities / rebellion against God. These discussions were all voluntary and unprovoked.

Comment by Kenth on November 7, 2012 at 10:31am: Bryan:

Have you ever heard of any parents whos discussion about getting a baby goes like this:

Parent A: I totally don't like God, he's such a prick!

Parent B: I know! We should totally make a rebellion against him.

Parent A: Yeah! But how?

Parent B: By not having babies!

Parent A: Yeah! That'll show him!

Comment by Hannah le Faye on November 7, 2012 at 10:16am: Rebellion? Whatever, dude. You're not God, so you've got no place to judge.

Comment by Bryan Rosander, FL on November 7, 2012 at 9:11am: @Hannah le Faye - Was that directed at me? I'm just saying that babies and life are considered a blessing from God and that some families try to avoid that in rebellion against God. The rebellion is the bad part, but avoiding having children is one way of many that people can plausibly do it.

Meanwhile, other parents might be rebelling by having children, in the right circumstances.

Comment by Hannah le Faye on November 6, 2012 at 11:28am: You can't just say that not having children because you marry someone you love is bad and not having children because you refuse to get married is good. Plenty of couples have no intention of birthing children, but are determined to be good parents, which is a GOOD THING. There are plenty of people who have children unintentionally and are not nurturing parents, and it doesn't make their marriage better because they had a baby together.