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"Perhaps, but as Abreo has pointed out in other threads, the vast majority of murders arn't pre-meditated, but more spur of the moment things. It is clear therefore, that if people don't have access to guns which they can reach for at the…"

"Because the correlation is littered with outliers and is examining only two variables.  A chart of education quality/accessibility and property crime incidence would add more colours to this picture. "

"Then explain why there is a broad correlation between percentage of homicdes by firearm and the number of firearms owned per 100 citizens?"

"I deny that it is even in the top 3. "

"Yes, there is more, but I think it would be idiotic to deny that gun ownership is a massive factor."

"Well, depends what you mean.  There are other weapons, knives, bear spray, snapping turtles (all have been used for armed robberies).  Then there's also countries like Brazil where gun ownership is low, but gun crime is high.…"

"There is such a thing as a gun safe.   But there is no such thing as a safe gun. My dad easily has over forty guns (most inherited from his great-uncle, who probably had more guns than the city's police force, but that's a…"

"Don't say they only have one use when you just listed three.  There's sport.  There's self-defense.  There is intimidation and violence.  With your logic, I could argue that pillows should be made illegal. …"

"It's not that hard to get a hunting license.  We had an optional hunter safety class in seventh grade.  (I didn't take it.)  My sister has had a gun since first grade.  So would you make it harder to be able to…"

"I second that from Oz.  Not just safer on murder but other violent crimes as well.  Not that we don't have serious issues down under.  There are some massive problems here.  But take away guns - and reasons to use them - and…"

"maybe so but you can't use murder rates either Yes you can because murder is a much more clearly defined crime. There are far far fewer variations on what the definition of murder is. That just means we have better tech to kill people (guns).…"

"maybe so but you can't use murder rates either. That just means we have better tech to kill people (guns). Not that the people are safer. If someone is coming at me with a weapon I want a gun. I am done with this subject."

"Yes, but here's the issue. Does country X count threat or not? Does country Y count property or not? This is the problem. Different countries stats count what constitutes a "violent" crime as different things. Therefore, you…"

"Yes on threat maybe on property. If I feel my life is in danger. That is the test. If your life is in danger shoot them. Protect yourself."

"As I have said, violent crime doesn't work as an indicator, because different countries view what counts as a violent crime differently. Is it a violent crime if there is only the threat of violence? Is it violent if it's against property…"

"Vertigo You only look at the murder rate. That is not a fair way of viewing it. It is true that guns are a more efficient way of killing people. A person can't adequately defend against multiple assailants or one with a sharp pointy thing…"