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Vertigo Bible
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Just adding a new thread because Nerdfighters wont allow more than 4000 characters in a reply now. And I'm not breaking up the flow into 5 separate pieces. Erm...no. The reason it cannot be tested is…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Joel Schama Mar 23, 2012.
Vertigo: The Bible
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This is getting to be a serious pain, since underneath each of your posts there is no way for me to reply. Therefore to address one of your points. You claim the Bible must be true because of a,b,c,…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] Mar 22, 2012.
Vertigo One runs away at last
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Because he has no facts at his disposal and knows nothing of actual history only what the Bible and his pastor tell him, he has run away from the debate as I knew he would. This however, is my…Continue
Started this discussion. Last reply by Joel Schama Feb 17, 2012.
No more replies again. So yet again...To Vertigo One
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No. I am claiming that the scientifc method is not a universal tool, and that there are things beyond its reach. So far there has been nothing beyond the realm of science. Everything has not yet been…Continue
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Started this discussion. Last reply by Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] Feb 11, 2012.
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Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"Why do you think I am so passionate about telling people about Jesus. Because I believe that hell is so real and so unpleasnt."
"One other quick thought I will leave you with. If you truly believe in the Bible I wish you the best while lying in Heaven listening to the screams of the countless tormented souls of the rest of us in Hell. A very sadistic attitude towards life.…"
"Well this is ridiculous I can't even add a single response without the site informing me that I've gone over 4000 characters. Well that is the end of that then. It's been interesting. Though I obviously disagree strongly with all of…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"Why do you think it wasn’t until recently that Catholic mass was only in Latin, and most Bibles were not even taken home?
Because there were people in the Catholic church that were power hungry. That doesn't prove that the Bible demands…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"Yes they do. See infinite regress of who designed God.
I've already answered that. If God exists outside of time, then there is no origin point, thus he does not need a designer. The same is not true of the universe.
You do not understand…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"Therefore, each can claim dominion over truth and salvation. And there is no way to tell which one is right, because each one thinks it’s right, each one points to historic stories and each one believes their faith is the proper one.
There…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo: The Bible"It is useful, but you cannot rely upon it as the proof of all that is. Also...
There is nothing wrong with the scientific method and has proven useful throughout it's history by dint of actual empirical evidence.
Ok, you are going to justify…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"So you are claiming your belief in God’s creation of the world has nothing to do with your belief in God’s creation of the world? For had He not created the world you wouldn’t be here to oddly take upon yourself the sins of Adam to…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo Bible"So you are now claiming that God existed in the past and no longer exists in the present? If you are claiming that religion is like history, then that is exactly what you are claiming. That God is history and cannot be proven to exist.
Not using the…"
Vertigo Bible
Just adding a new thread because Nerdfighters wont allow more than 4000 characters in a reply now. And I'm not breaking up the flow into 5 separate pieces. Erm...no. The reason it cannot be tested is nothing to do with its validity, but its nature. You cannot test history. You can examine it.So you are now claiming that God existed in the past and no longer exists in the present? If you are claiming that religion is like history, then that is exactly what you are claiming. That God is history…See More
"It's ashame you feel that way since there is no demonstrable evidence to support what could even remotely be considered a "proof" of God's existence. And of course if you did have proof you wouldn't need faith. The…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo: The Bible"Science has its own sacred cows. Areas which are not self correcting. The main one being, the method. Scientists argue that the method is either self evident or not open for discussion. Here though is my problem with that. The method is founded upon…"
"1) I've already been through a lot of the contradictions in the Bible whether in verse form or just generally what does not comport with true empirical science and don't wish to go through them all over again. However, that is the main…"
A.J. Stewart replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo: The Bible"True, the bible can't really be proven. But I believe it, the same way you can't really prove that the center of the earth is solid but we believe it.
The bible is based on faith, the entire christion religion is nothing without…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to Joel Schama's discussion Vertigo: The Bible"In the same way, the Bible may have the occasional historical reference within it, but other than that all other claims are not able to up to the test of science. The reason is very simple. If the Bible contained testable material, or falsifiable…"
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- At 12:56pm on December 2, 2011,
Fake Crowley said… Thanks. :D
And sorry, I'd have responded in turn earlier and with a more in depth...response, but I've been busy lately and am busy still. Last year of high school+College Apps+Finals=Business.
- At 9:17am on November 27, 2011, Fake Crowley said…
So.
I sincerely apologize for how much of a prick I was before. I'm not going to excuse my behaviour with a, "You started it," or, "You deserved it," and I'm not trying to be the bigger man in apologizing. Rather, I'll be completely honest and admit that I was extremely immature. I shouldn't have insulted you, and I hope you forgive me for being such a child.
That said, I stand by my beliefs, and if you, in the future, insult or degrade me in any fashion I can't promise you that I won't respond in turn. I won't ask for an apology from you, or admit that there's anything you need to apologize for, but I will ask you to act maturely from now on if we continue to discuss/debate/shout-at-each-other regarding religion, philosophy, politics, or anything of the like.
The reason I'm apologizing is primarily selfish--I wanted to save face after realizing how childish I was, and as a result I decided that owning up to it was the best method of accomplishing that--but please understand that there is some admittedly reluctant sincerity in my apology as well.
Again, my sincerest apologies.
~Fake Crowley
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