"People get so wrapped up in vilifying the church for controversial stances that the good things it does are completely overlooked. What is Catholic Relief Services if not a way to seriously reduce world suck? I mean, in my opinion being pro-life is…"
"Hm. One and one makes two, whether or not I believe that it does. This is scientific fact. Without scientific fact, reality is too unstable to allow scientific processes like chemical bonding to occur. In short, nothing would exist.
"there is infallible and true facts. but what can be construed from those concrete events is always in flux, and not literal concepts shall always belong to the mind of the person who is contemplating them
"I don't know what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure you don't know what I'm talking about. I'm throwing in the towel, there's no point in continuing if we've been misinterpreting each other for this…"
"This is in reply to abreo. Lets see if I can make this coherent.
You stated earlier that a consciousness must exist. I was agreeing with you:
1 conciousness = something
2 something != nothing
That is all I was saying.
And moving on...
So if a…"
"It doesn't matter if logic and math go beyond sensory experience, and it doesn't matter if true logical mathematical principles exist outside of us.
Lets assume that our senses are lying to us and instead of presenting us with a…"
"Math is not based purely on sensory experience. The first uses of math were probably applied to sensory experience, but there are many mathematical ideas that are not related to sensory experience. I don't know any way in which i is derived…"
"You read what I said incorrectly: why can't consciousness be all that exists? What makes you think that something exists outside of consciousness?
You also seem to be misunderstanding everything else I'm saying. I'm not saying…"
"No i didn't say that nothing outside of my conciseness existed; I said that nothing does not exist.. for the very reason that consciousness itself must exist.
And our knowledge does not stem from sensory experience. Belief stems from sensory…"
"If mathematical principles exist outside of consciousness they may still be entirely different from what we imagine them being, which is all I'm getting at. We don't know the validity of a mathematical principle any more than we know if…"
"Perhaps my wording was poor then, formal mathematics isn't testable and therefore isn't falsifiable but it can still be wrong. It rests on axioms, which can be wrong, and it utilizes logic, which can be wrong.
"I would disagree with you. Mathematics is not about validity of empirical observations, insofar as it deals with abstract concepts like quantity, space, change, etc then it is not falsifiable. Perhaps when dealing with theorems it is, but theorems,…"
"Well no, all knowledge, including math, comes from sensory experience. Math started entirely because somebody took one thing, put it next to another thing and discovered that by adding one thing to another one thing you have two things.…"