"What if the KKK man believes it's virtuous to stand up for his beliefs by burn crosses on a black man's lawn? ie. he is standing up for his belief to stand up for his belief, and he also believes that this is the way to do it."
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is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?
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i don't believe it is.what do you think?Continue
Tags: morals, ethics, religion, law, justice
Started this discussion. Last reply by CD May 11, 2012.
how much would you sacrifice on principle?
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if you lived in a democracy where by law a racial minority were not allowed to eat beef.... would you give up beef in protest until the laws were changed (even though you LIVE for that juicy…Continue
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Started this discussion. Last reply by CD May 8, 2012.
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CD replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?CD replied to somanyfreckles's discussion how much would you sacrifice on principle?"I wonder how many people have put on 'white face' during apartheid. You know, smearing your face in white clay and turning your nose up at everyone while preaching the virtues of christianity and capitalism....that ought to get you…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"To be clear, the act of standing up for your beliefs IS intrinsically virtuous. How you stand up for them may not be, nor may your beliefs themselves be virtuous.
So in your example, it is virtuous for the man to stand up for his KKK beliefs, but…"
CD replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"So when the KKK stand up for their beliefs by burning a cross on a black man's front lawn, the act is virtuous, even though the belief is not????
Extreme, I know, but...it fits the definition you're putting out there."
John Eric Tiessen replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"Well I am glad that we can agree on this then. In regards to your addition I am also inclined to agree."
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"Mostly I agree, but it ceases to be virtuous to stand up for what you believe in, if that belief lacks virtue.
Disagree. "Virtue" is too broad. It is always virtuous to stand up for what you believe. What you believe however, may not…"
CD replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"^ QUALIFIER
Mostly I agree, but it ceases to be virtuous to stand up for what you believe in, if that belief lacks virtue.
For example, if it is not virtuous to spray a supermarket with bullets from a machine gun, it is also not…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"Put it this way, religion HAS already been mingled in US politics, and it was part of one of the most celebrated moments of US political history. Martin Luther King was a doctor of theology. Not allowing people to be inspired by religion and allow…"
KevinC replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"In a nutshell this is what I agree with.
I would add that trying to discern virtue without paying any attention to the content of the virtue in questions is absurd."
Laia Abad replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"If you believe that religion should have its part into politics in one way or another (which is what Kennedy doesn't want and that is the view that makes Santorum want to throw up), doesn't that kind of lead to some degree or other of…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"And? I think his objection was to the way JFK conceptualised the seperation of church and state. You still have yet to prove he wants to make a state church in the US.
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Laia Abad replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"Curious, I havn't heard Rick Santorum suggest the US should have a state church. Can you please provide evidence to the contrary?"
Laia Abad replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"Then I say again in my opinion, no, standing up for what you believe is not intrinsically virtuous, as I see the value of standing up for something is directly linked to this 'something'.
Rick Santorum's position is bigoted the…"
Vertigo_One [Ops Mod] replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"And by the way, being against two consenting people marrying and actively promoting their legal discrimination just because they're gay seems quite bigoted to me.
I'd disagree. It would simply be a disagreement with the nature of marriage.…"
Laia Abad replied to somanyfreckles's discussion is "standing up for what you believe in" intrinsically virtuous?"I don't think I've misunderstood the question. Would I prefer him to be untruthful to himself when he talks about taking people's rights away? Well, I'd rather him not try to do such a thing, but if standing up for your beliefs…"
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