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~ Serious article ~ Colorado shootings. Can anything be learned?

I never intended to cover this story with an article, purely out of respect for those injured and killed in Colorado; but I feel certain words need to be said and heard. If you haven't heard about it - and I'll be rather surprised if you hadn't -, around seventy people were shot at a midnight screening of the Dark Knight's rising and twelve people were murdered on top of this number; the youngest being only six years old. This is nothing less of a tragedy and yes, I shouldn't have to state the obvious but I'm going to anywho. Now, the reason for the attack is rather unclear but - once more - if you pay attention to certain news stations or public figures, the reasoning for it was rather different.

  • It is the result of not enough gun freedom, and it is a continued attack on Judo-Christian faith = people aren't scared of hell.
  • Not enough regulations.
  • It was a tea party nut job.
  • Yada, Yada and Yada.

If we ignore those talking points for a moment, there's also this group that are arguing that these points are simply taking focus away from the one person who should be focused upon. The shooter. That no one else is truly as guilty or to blame as the man who pulled the trigger. This I disagree with and I disagree with it purely because you're not looking at the overall picture. If you focus on why there's crime in an area, you look at their reasoning. Perhaps education is poor, poverty is a major factor or maybe they're just crazy. We could focus on the attacker, the shooter and treat it as an isolated indecent. We could ignore all the shooters before this point and continue along blind to the actual problem.

Allow me a moment to create a metaphor for example. If you're full of poison to the extent that you're leg is needing removed whilst there's still poison elsewhere; you're not treating the problem. You're treating the after cause and sooner or later, another piece is going to be chopped off and removed. We don't know what caused this man to go bonkers, to go crazy and become a domestic terrorist; but we do know one thing. Bullets kill people.

I'm just going to put myself out there - and feel free to tell me why I'm wrong in a civil manner - and suggest perhaps they're right. Not enough regulations. Returning to the first point, that someone else should have had a weapon to stop him. Really? More flying bullets would have made things safer? Ignoring the fact that he was wearing body armour and the likes; that has to be one of the dumbest things I've yet to hear. Of course people should have the right to defend themselves, I've two swords for Christ sake. If someone were to break into my house, my obvious choice is plain to anyone's eye. 

But the fact of the matter is.

If you defend the right to bare arms in public, to own semi-automatic weapons. You're caring more about the rights of the shooters, the attackers. The vile creatures that take the choice to murder and harm others; than you care about the risk to which others are exposed too. Again, if I'm wrong do write in and tell me why that is. Of course, one could suggest criminals don't obey the laws and that they would get a hold of weapons anyway possible. To which I point out those who have committed these shootings, these killing sprees. They are not hardened criminals with criminal records. For god sake, the most they could rap on the suspect is a car ticket.

With that said however, my thoughts go straight back towards the victims' and families of victims. No one should need to go through this, no one deserves to go through this. It was but a thoughtless, sick and acid-like attack. If I were praying a man, my thoughts and prayers would go directly to them in their time of need and mourning. 

In the end though.
If we don't look for solutions, for ways to avoid such awful situations.
You're going to be praying for many a person who lost their life in a senseless way.

Again, if you think I'm wrong or right.
Leave me a comment.

If you believe it to be more complex, that gun regulations wouldn't solve the problem.
Leave me a comment.

If you believe me to be a bleeding heart socialistic liberal commie.

Leave me a comment, but minus the swearing.

We all don't learn if I'm the only one writing folks, I want to hear what each of you has to say.

And with that there's just this left to say:

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Comment by Mobeen on July 26, 2012 at 9:58am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwCCZZvX8I&feature=g-all-u

I think this is worth watching. Please do.

Comment by Jacob Lenfestey on July 25, 2012 at 6:28pm

The problem isn't addiction, its the human want for things you aren't allowed to have Thomas. As for my government comment I believe any government could be taken over, in example look at the amount of lies we'retold on a daily basis by said government about things that have no significance. Sure, there are things that should be withheld from the public, but it is starting to get ridiculous. There is the thinking behind my stance on gun control.

Comment by David Ranseen on July 24, 2012 at 5:45pm

@ Thomas:

My point was that the blame game has nothing to do with actual responsibility, and everything to do with looking for scapegoats. I think of the blame game as being about "who screwed up", rather than "how do we fix it".  I know it's semantic, but I have a hard time when pundits who have never been in a situation try to tell the professionals how to do their job. I guess what I'm trying to say is, let's figure out in a non-confrontational way what went wrong, and how we can all help to fix it.

Hope I didn't offend anybody.

Comment by Todd Stearns on July 24, 2012 at 4:06am

Exactly what I'm saying when I listed all of those shooting examples in an earlier comment response. Inaction is the refusal to commit to a solution. How many times does this need to happen before there is a fundamental change in the way this society works? Will there be more shootings like this if nothing is done? Indeed.

In this case as I think I have put in my other comments, I don't think anything can be done to prevent another attack like this.  Even if we make fundamental changes there will always be those who do this and when that happens we will run this cycle again and again.  Perhaps we will mitigate the damage and perhaps we can minimize the loss of life but that will not come to any comfort to any communal human.  Even if this attack was stopped after he killed only one victim we would (and should) be asking these questions.  No human of conscious would ever look back and say "At least the actions we took to stop things like this prevented him from killing more people".  One life lost to this kind of violence is too much and it hurts me to the core of my existence to know that we have people among us who would act with such disregard for another.

Comment by Todd Stearns on July 24, 2012 at 3:50am

Oh, I didn't mean for it to seem as if the gun were to be the poison. The poison on the example - which perhaps wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be - is society in so much that allows such things to happen over and over again without trying to solve the run up to such incidents.

Then I do agree with you. However I do not see how we as a collective of people can influence those who are of a disposition to this kind of violence.  Since the beginning of people 'Going Postal' we have asked many questions on how to prevent another incident.  Many programs have come into effect as well as more education to understand or identify those afflicted with these kinds of thoughts.  Unfortunately for all of our effort we seem to be at a stand still.

I have not yet done the research however I am sure if I look I will find many actions that we have taken to prevent this kind of violence.  I am almost positive there has been an increase in gun security in the means of acquiring any sort of fire arm but yet tragedies like this still happen.  Personally I do not like to call this person a terrorist as this word has seem to become a whole new monster in recent years and is now perceived as the 'Boggie Man' to be feared at all costs and I just don't accept that.  However this person has made many people feel insecure in their lives.  The act was vile, and horrible but our reaction to it needs to be tempered.  I fear what is now to come because of this act, not as having myself randomly involved in the next unprovoked, unforeseen attack but rather an over reaction to something we do not have any control over.  I now fear that others acting out of fear of copy cat incidents will deem it fit to remove some of my liberties so they can feel a bit safer (Please note that I would not feel safer as well as the sense of safety is really just an illusion that we as people trick ourselves to believe).

Again in the end the only thing I can be sure of is my own intentions and the only thing I can be responsible for is my own actions.  So the only thing that we can do as a collective of people who like living together in a community is for us to individually take this task onto ourselves.  So what am I going to do about these shootings? I am going to live my life as best I can.  I am not going to seek to harm another and if I were to somehow manage that I will take responsibility to it.  I am not going to live in fear that another person will choose different and willfully cause me harm, nor will I assume that my neighbors and fellow humans are able to or even going to cause me harm.  I will state that I believe that on the whole humanity is decent and ON MY LIFE I will never stop believing this even if I am unfortunate enough to have to experience a tragedy such as the inciting incident to this topic.  I will only believe that others will choose the same and that is the only solution so far that I can come up with.

Comment by Tamhas ~ Admin ~ on July 24, 2012 at 12:06am

But does that lessen the effect? Are all these news mere scribbles on paper that are only to make an impact if the said dead people are from superpower countries? Because I believe that for every 1 out of those 111 people there must be at the least 6 relatives whose lives will never be the same again bringing the casuality toll to 666!

No, I completely agree with the point you're making. Life in itself is valuable, no matter where it lies or who it belongs to. The difference however rests on whether or not we could have done anything to prevent the attacks/bombing. The Iraq government wishes for the allied troops to be removed and allow the Country to run itself, therein removing the responability on our governments shoulders. This doesn't lessen the loss or whatnot. It does however give the country full responability to deal with the loss or the causes that led to that point in time.

Comment by Tamhas ~ Admin ~ on July 23, 2012 at 11:23pm

"2. Avoid the blame game. As an EMT, I have had it up to here with armchair experts and pundits. We like to have a scapegoat, someone we can load all our troubles on and forget about them. We blame permissive societies, lack of religion, violent media, or the "freaks" of society. We blame the police for not having "seen this coming", politicians for not having legislated, doctors for not having diagnosed, neighbors for not having called. All of the vileness and vitriol of humanity comes out. We even blame the parents of a six year old girl for having taken their daughter to see a movie, as if it's their fault that she was shot and killed by a random, senseless act. By doing so, we avoid the actual issues at stake."

 

You would suggest the blame solely falls on the suspect? Or did I read that wrong? 

Comment by Tamhas ~ Admin ~ on July 23, 2012 at 11:21pm

I think the "we have to ban all the guns" argument is a bunch of BS. Quick, name the state with the lowest per capita rate of violent crime involving guns? hint: it rhymes with mexas. now, name the state with the least stringent gun control laws. hint: it also rhymes with mexas. i dont think this is a coincidence 

 

You wouldn't mind sharing your source of information would you, Andrew? I'd love to get a read at that those fact sheets. 

 

"also, thom, it was canisters of tear gas that he threw, not smoke bombs" 

 

Cheers for the correction ^_^

Comment by Tamhas ~ Admin ~ on July 23, 2012 at 11:20pm

"In a different way I agree with your point about the poisoned leg however where you think the underlying cause is the gun and the ease at which a person may get one, I feel that the poisoned leg is the individual who has not come into understanding on how a community works or how his actions will affect others around him."

Oh, I didn't mean for it to seem as if the gun were to be the poison. The poison on the example - which perhaps wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be - is society in so much that allows such things to happen over and over again without trying to solve the run up to such incidents. Guns being used is simply a by product, a tool for which these people can reach out and harm others. However, I do believe if regulations were higher; gun crime in such incidents would lower.

Comment by Big Bang Theorist on July 23, 2012 at 11:18pm

OK this is a little off topic but I still want to share it.....I was reading this article about how 3 guys had sacrificed their lives for their gfs in the colorado shooting (which is reported to be one of the worst mass shootings in the history of US).It was a rather captivating article in terms of the size devoted to it....now featured in the very corner of the same page was a strip of article about a bloodbath in Iraq which had killed a 111 people!It doesnt require  lot of brains to figure out that 12-15 people being killed must be a daily affair in Iraq.But does that lessen the effect?Are all these news mere scribbles on paper that are only to make an impact if the said dead people are from superpower countries?Because I believe that for every 1 out of those 111 people there must be at the least 6 relatives whose lives will never be the same again bringing the casuality toll to 666!

I know it is pathetic to even compare the situation of these two countries given the histories behind them...but the value of a human life remains the same everywhere in this universe regardless of their nation and identity.So I want to do what can be done from my side and request everyone who reads this to do the same...Please take minute to pray(or spare a thought) for all those people affected by the death of their loved ones regardless of nation boundaries.Hoping peace and harmony would be a three fold utopian vision but I guess that is our best choice right now.

 

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