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Comment by Julia on November 5, 2012 at 4:27pm I had to answer! :) Because I recently also spend a lot of thought of what is making up the identity of my country - and I too came to the conclusion that it has a lot to do with Nazis. I'm from Austria, which was voluntarily annexed to Germany in 1938. A large portion of the relatively young second republics (independent and neutral only since 1955) identity is made up of guilt.
I had to read "The Wave" and watch the movie (and an interview with the author), as well as other books and countless documentaries concerning the threats of Nazi-ideology. My copy of Anne Franks dairy is especially well read - I think we had to read it for school at least four times. In high schools history class we pretty much exclusively learned about World War II. In 2008 they released copies of a certain newspaper originally published in 1938 to show what was reported, what led to peoples optimistic thoughts about Nazi-Germany and how manipulative mass media can be. There are seminars hold about the matter of guilt and school kids visiting Mauthausen (a concentration camp).
So I’m pretty much imprinted with the thought, that I am guilty and that I should be alert to any such thought, never to let it happen again.
Thankfully guilt is not all of my countries identity (– but still a big part of it).
Did you see “Iron Sky” by the way?
****Spoiler****
A lot of it already escaped my mind but I remember being amused about the American politician to rise so much in popularity while relying on a Nazi speech-writer (and how Nazis on the moon found it necessary to learn English :) ). Also I remember that scene where the Nazi-facilities on the moon are being attacked and kids and old people are running around desperately trying to protect themselves from the falling ceiling. They showed them as attackers and victims. And at the end it led to every industrialized nation of the world fighting an all out war once again (only this time in space).
imdb rates it with 6.2 points out of 10. Even though it came out in April this year it still has a lot of discussions going on (some of them were commented on only hours ago)- one of them whether or not it's anti-american and whether it is the best "naziploitation" movie to date.
I enjoyed reading your thoughts on this subject, and I don't know if there was really a point to miss. Most of my blogging is just sort of inane observations that I make about my own life. As far as Communism I agree with your viewpoints on it and that is why in the article I make the point of saying it's a gray issue. When I speak of "villainy" and "evil" in that sense I mean it in the TV/fiction sort of way. Communists were very convenient Bond villains, but ultimately even in that era they turned out to be sort of a half-hearted villain, sometimes even helping the hero to fight against a larger threat. I think that stems a lot from the fact that their doctrine is not inherently as "rotten to the core" as you say.
As for your sidebar question "The Wave" is not really read anymore but even that work of fiction tends to portray Nazism as a way of thinking, which like I was saying is counter to how Americans tend to think of Nazis. Maybe that is why it was so shocking when it was first written and so easily forgotten to the American people.
I actually find it interesting that you are from "across the pond," as you really do sort of illustrate my one point that British and other Western European cultures tend to look at the ideals and philosophy of Nazism as a threat (which btw I think is the right view to take on it) where Americans tend to forget about the pervasiveness of the ideals and see Nazis themselves (in full SS uniformed garb, of course) as the enemy. Our cultural understandings and ideas (as similar as they usually can be) seem to differ on that. We look at the physical enemy while you look at the ideals. It's the same way with Communism. Your comment was relating to Communism as a philosophy where as my blog was putting the villain label specifically on the USSR as villains, the physical people/country, not the ideal itself. In America we like villains we can punch, and it's much harder to punch a philosophy.
Also, as far as your point on national identity, I do want to clarify that part of what I was saying in the article was that it's been more than 50 years since WWII, and Nazis as bad guys really doesn't work anymore because they are starting to lose their teeth and that old binding feeling of nationalism. (It's like the Borg, once you have seen them blown up and defeated by Janeway a half-dozen times they no longer scary.) Though I still think there are some elements of national identity left in our opposition to Nazis I do agree with you that really it just makes us feel more like a better human in general. Ultimately they are the devil, and we always judge our own goodness based upon how much we oppose the nearest devil.
As always, thank you, thank you, thank you for reading my blog and responding. I love to hear back from people. I hope I have clarified a few of my points.
Comment by Julia on November 3, 2012 at 7:36pm I find it actually quite far stretched to compare Communists to Nazis. Though the Communists killed far more people than Hitler did, their ideas at least were pretty okay. I mean, freedom and wealth for everybody is a nice thing to want - the execution of those ideas, of course, went terribly and horribly wrong.
Whereas the ideas of Nazis are rotten to the core.
About the thing that Americans like to think of Nazis as a group of people to be defeated instead of a terrible idea that can spread: wasn't "the wave" written by an American author? Is it not read anymore?
Also I believe it's a mistake to underestimate todays Nazis. I remember a News-Clip shown on TV in the early 2000 about a kindergarten for Jewish kids in America being attacked with riffles by Neo-Nazis. As well as other photographs and reports about people proudly presenting themselves as Nazis all around the world. I guess I outed myself right now as one of those people "over the pond" who fear the ideology far more than an actual Nazi.
Though I strongly agree with you about how Nazis are a convenient foe. But I don’t think because it gives us identity of a citizen of a certain nation but rather of being a good person - I am against the Nazi-monstrosity, so I am a good-natured individual.
I feel somehow like I missed the point. Did I?
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